A Big Drug Company got people hooked on Heroin
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A Big Drug Company got people hooked on Heroin
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a lot should be blamed on doctors who over prescribe
regarding the article
if kids want to steal drugs from around the home
it's pretty hard to stop them
all hard perscription drugs at home should be locked away
we did it when we were kids
many times kids don't understand what they are getting into
possibly a lifetime of addiction -- or even with some early death
famous quote from the young kid who dabbles with drugs and or booze
oh yes I know -- but -- it could never happen to me
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regarding the article
if kids want to steal drugs from around the home
it's pretty hard to stop them
all hard perscription drugs at home should be locked away
we did it when we were kids
many times kids don't understand what they are getting into
possibly a lifetime of addiction -- or even with some early death
famous quote from the young kid who dabbles with drugs and or booze
oh yes I know -- but -- it could never happen to me
MM
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I felt it could be an interesting view for anyone interested.
I for one... am glad that even being an addict(coke, X, alcohol, weed, vicodin...etc) Yet, I never wanted to do oxi because ... I was capable of seeing a heroin addict first hand... (Sister in Law) and always said I would be nothing like her.
Her addiction started with liquid oxi. She never had even smoked weed. She's now... well, the poster child for everything I wouldn't want to be. Very very sad. Her addiction to oxi (now IV heroin) has lasted for over 15 years.... and she's a train wreck. Very sad.
I for one... am glad that even being an addict(coke, X, alcohol, weed, vicodin...etc) Yet, I never wanted to do oxi because ... I was capable of seeing a heroin addict first hand... (Sister in Law) and always said I would be nothing like her.
Her addiction started with liquid oxi. She never had even smoked weed. She's now... well, the poster child for everything I wouldn't want to be. Very very sad. Her addiction to oxi (now IV heroin) has lasted for over 15 years.... and she's a train wreck. Very sad.
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What Perdue Pharma did was nothing less than
a massive biochemical attack on the citizens of a country whose
regulators ABDICATED on their duty in the spirit of laissez-faire.
No rules. Who wants rules? No one can tell me what to do!
The regulators were ridiculed, stymied, then defunded.
Of course personal responsibility plays a role. But was like
dropping HUNDREDS of loaded handguns on a kindergarten
playground whilst making ONE announcement of the loudspeaker
advising the kids NOT to play with them.......good luck with that!
OxyContin: Purdue Pharma's painful medicine - Fortune Features
........makes a good read.
Take it Easy, Gang!
a massive biochemical attack on the citizens of a country whose
regulators ABDICATED on their duty in the spirit of laissez-faire.
No rules. Who wants rules? No one can tell me what to do!
The regulators were ridiculed, stymied, then defunded.
Of course personal responsibility plays a role. But was like
dropping HUNDREDS of loaded handguns on a kindergarten
playground whilst making ONE announcement of the loudspeaker
advising the kids NOT to play with them.......good luck with that!
OxyContin: Purdue Pharma's painful medicine - Fortune Features
........makes a good read.
Take it Easy, Gang!
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That was a good read. Where we live they have commercials on tv reminding parents about keeping their prescription medicines locked up like you would a loaded gun. Its too tempting for kids to try it when its left out in the open. It wont stop every kid, but Im sure it stops some from experimenting if their parents are aware of the risk. Its sad about Philip Hoffman but in some ways it keeps drawing more attention to these problems and puts it out for people who wouldnt normally read about addiction.
Can I ask you a question a little bit related to what you said about your experience compared to your sister in law? Did you find that while you were drawn to certain drugs (became addicted to them) others you could take or leave?
That was a good read. Where we live they have commercials on tv reminding parents about keeping their prescription medicines locked up like you would a loaded gun. Its too tempting for kids to try it when its left out in the open. It wont stop every kid, but Im sure it stops some from experimenting if their parents are aware of the risk. Its sad about Philip Hoffman but in some ways it keeps drawing more attention to these problems and puts it out for people who wouldnt normally read about addiction.
Can I ask you a question a little bit related to what you said about your experience compared to your sister in law? Did you find that while you were drawn to certain drugs (became addicted to them) others you could take or leave?
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Here is a good blog by incitingsilence on the subject.
A Lesson in Heroin
Posted with her permission.
A Lesson in Heroin
Posted with her permission.
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You don’t inadvertently get hooked on Heroin. Now surely no one thinks hey I wanna be an addict. But you can find your way there as a natural progression of the disease if that is the choice you made, unless you started there.
Heroin has it’s own history in the mix. Its own reasons why. And no not everyone will go there, it is all up to the user. That spike in heroin use talked of in starting in 96 isn’t all that true, heroin was rising before that. It had to compete because of crack, or it wouldn’t make it, with what it was showing of itself in the 80’s. It needed to be more accessible, it needed to remove the needle fear…
Yet to force one there, well now that is a whole another story.
Informed patients …
When do we expect people to be responsible for their choices? Hell look at just this board, there are times when there is a whole lot of that “look what they did to me” …. As if the one watching wasn’t all in.
And a lot of excuse with this, the drug made them do it.
In terms of doctors they are suppose to treat, sure some are lazy, but then we as a people are lazy in this pill to cure all society we have created. We can ask for alternatives and that is our right and should be our responsibility. We have to take responsibility for our own care.
Street level dealers aren’t the blame either. They are just pawns in the money game with life expectancies that are short as an addicts can be.
I would be surprised to find anyone in this day and age who doesn’t know that opiates and opioids and copycats like tramadol that aren’t in the class but do the same thing aren’t physically addictive. It is a known fact. It has been a know fact for a long time. Who was the idiot that let Oxy out, knowing its makeup, from the alkaloid, thebain, of the poppy , that thought wow they made it non addictive. Seriously why wasn’t this questioned. Who brought that ********? They knew morphine was, they knew opium was …. Suboxone also made from thebain, they knew from before oxy was out. Sub was in design for almost 30 years before it hit the streets in the US.
And this pill lying around the house thing. Where the f*ck has everyone been. This has been happening for decades. I know where my first pill came from, top shelf linen closest in my home, valium and demoral. My friend found them. I am really curious as to what poll results would show asking where you got the first pill you ever took for fun, for a high.
And I am gonna say this and many won’t get it, but maybe someone will find their own stop button in it. While addiction progresses naturally, it also progresses based on the reactions to it. Reactions teach, yet never what is intended. Reactions make the addict smarter, oh so much smarter. Addiction isn’t pretty. It should be painful. It is suppose to have consequences and ramifications no matter how sad it looks from the outside, this is part of what addiction is. And even in the sadness there are good life long, life saving lessons one needs to learn.
So if anything, don’t take the lessons away!
Heroin has it’s own history in the mix. Its own reasons why. And no not everyone will go there, it is all up to the user. That spike in heroin use talked of in starting in 96 isn’t all that true, heroin was rising before that. It had to compete because of crack, or it wouldn’t make it, with what it was showing of itself in the 80’s. It needed to be more accessible, it needed to remove the needle fear…
Yet to force one there, well now that is a whole another story.
Informed patients …
When do we expect people to be responsible for their choices? Hell look at just this board, there are times when there is a whole lot of that “look what they did to me” …. As if the one watching wasn’t all in.
And a lot of excuse with this, the drug made them do it.
In terms of doctors they are suppose to treat, sure some are lazy, but then we as a people are lazy in this pill to cure all society we have created. We can ask for alternatives and that is our right and should be our responsibility. We have to take responsibility for our own care.
Street level dealers aren’t the blame either. They are just pawns in the money game with life expectancies that are short as an addicts can be.
I would be surprised to find anyone in this day and age who doesn’t know that opiates and opioids and copycats like tramadol that aren’t in the class but do the same thing aren’t physically addictive. It is a known fact. It has been a know fact for a long time. Who was the idiot that let Oxy out, knowing its makeup, from the alkaloid, thebain, of the poppy , that thought wow they made it non addictive. Seriously why wasn’t this questioned. Who brought that ********? They knew morphine was, they knew opium was …. Suboxone also made from thebain, they knew from before oxy was out. Sub was in design for almost 30 years before it hit the streets in the US.
And this pill lying around the house thing. Where the f*ck has everyone been. This has been happening for decades. I know where my first pill came from, top shelf linen closest in my home, valium and demoral. My friend found them. I am really curious as to what poll results would show asking where you got the first pill you ever took for fun, for a high.
And I am gonna say this and many won’t get it, but maybe someone will find their own stop button in it. While addiction progresses naturally, it also progresses based on the reactions to it. Reactions teach, yet never what is intended. Reactions make the addict smarter, oh so much smarter. Addiction isn’t pretty. It should be painful. It is suppose to have consequences and ramifications no matter how sad it looks from the outside, this is part of what addiction is. And even in the sadness there are good life long, life saving lessons one needs to learn.
So if anything, don’t take the lessons away!
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I realize now how wrong I was, taking her lessons away.
It is something I will have to live with the rest of my life.
In my former life , a battlefield injury could send someone
into shock from which they might never recover.The prime
concern after bleeding was stopped was keeping them out
of shock.
I didn't want her to get feedback from me as to how
horrific her life situation truly was (never let them see their
injury).
I was wrong. She lost her battle. No, I don't accept
full responsibility.....but I do accept some. Perhaps if she
had more 'horror feedback'?
I don't know. I never will.
It's time to make my peace with that.
It is something I will have to live with the rest of my life.
In my former life , a battlefield injury could send someone
into shock from which they might never recover.The prime
concern after bleeding was stopped was keeping them out
of shock.
I didn't want her to get feedback from me as to how
horrific her life situation truly was (never let them see their
injury).
I was wrong. She lost her battle. No, I don't accept
full responsibility.....but I do accept some. Perhaps if she
had more 'horror feedback'?
I don't know. I never will.
It's time to make my peace with that.
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I heard about that one. Extremely nasty.
But as I held my best friends hand in his
last hours in Sept,2012-----right there next
to his bed was a bottle of oxicodone.
I looked at the bottle ( I had never seen
it for real before) and said "So there you are".
The same thing that comforted my friend
in his last hours was the source of another
friend losing her life.
A two edged sword if ever there was one.
I hate oxy.I am grateful to oxy. That's duality for 'ya!
But as I held my best friends hand in his
last hours in Sept,2012-----right there next
to his bed was a bottle of oxicodone.
I looked at the bottle ( I had never seen
it for real before) and said "So there you are".
The same thing that comforted my friend
in his last hours was the source of another
friend losing her life.
A two edged sword if ever there was one.
I hate oxy.I am grateful to oxy. That's duality for 'ya!
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We need these medications for quality of life/end of life care.
Physicians are in a lose/lose situation. They cant test for pain. Patients have varying levels of pain tolerance. They can xray, MRI, try physical therapy, try non-narcotic meds, or alternate or holistic methods of treatment. But, when a patient keeps complaining of being in pain, and everything else has been tried, what is a doctor to do? Leave their patient in pain?
And, with the healthcare system these days, many employers change insurance companies based on who will give them the highest level of care at the best rate. So, it's harder to develop a long-term relationship with a single primary care physician.
I'm not sure we want the government monitoring what doctors we see, why, and when. If I go to my primary care doctor, and he refers me to an orthopedist, who refers me to a neurologist, who refers me to a pain control specialist, the paper trail would look like I was doctor shopping.
I agree the pill mills need to be shut down. I spend 1/2 the year in the pill mill capital of the world. I see the MRI places on every corner. All the pill mills need is an MRI and then they prescribe and dispense obscene amounts of pills. Nobody should have 2000 pills a month. Yeah, they get shut down, but 2 weeks later they are 2 doors down under another name.
A few years back I watched someone slowly die of ovarian cancer. All I can say is thank God she didn't have to feel the horrible pain.
Physicians are in a lose/lose situation. They cant test for pain. Patients have varying levels of pain tolerance. They can xray, MRI, try physical therapy, try non-narcotic meds, or alternate or holistic methods of treatment. But, when a patient keeps complaining of being in pain, and everything else has been tried, what is a doctor to do? Leave their patient in pain?
And, with the healthcare system these days, many employers change insurance companies based on who will give them the highest level of care at the best rate. So, it's harder to develop a long-term relationship with a single primary care physician.
I'm not sure we want the government monitoring what doctors we see, why, and when. If I go to my primary care doctor, and he refers me to an orthopedist, who refers me to a neurologist, who refers me to a pain control specialist, the paper trail would look like I was doctor shopping.
I agree the pill mills need to be shut down. I spend 1/2 the year in the pill mill capital of the world. I see the MRI places on every corner. All the pill mills need is an MRI and then they prescribe and dispense obscene amounts of pills. Nobody should have 2000 pills a month. Yeah, they get shut down, but 2 weeks later they are 2 doors down under another name.
A few years back I watched someone slowly die of ovarian cancer. All I can say is thank God she didn't have to feel the horrible pain.
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I read this article on Huffpost yesterday. I also read the majority of posts below, many regarding accountability of the addict and much more regarding legalization of marijuana, especially for pain management. Granted it does lie with the individual choosing to take the drug but who knows they will be addicted until it is too late? No one goes in thinking their life will be ruined because once they start they cannot stop.
Some people are in great need of pain meds and now find it extremely difficult to get due to the amount of abuse. Most people walking into a clinic or ER will be questioned thoroughly and looked upon as "seeking out drugs" unless they have documentation or previous records showing injury or disease (cancer, MS, etc,.). All of us here know how bad this is. I honestly don't have the answer but I do know who is making all the money and I do know who has many lobbyists working with the govt to get what they want. Don't think for a minute that they do not have people in their pocket in Washington. We don't know the half of it......and more and more people die every day due to a drug overdose. Sad and scary.
Some people are in great need of pain meds and now find it extremely difficult to get due to the amount of abuse. Most people walking into a clinic or ER will be questioned thoroughly and looked upon as "seeking out drugs" unless they have documentation or previous records showing injury or disease (cancer, MS, etc,.). All of us here know how bad this is. I honestly don't have the answer but I do know who is making all the money and I do know who has many lobbyists working with the govt to get what they want. Don't think for a minute that they do not have people in their pocket in Washington. We don't know the half of it......and more and more people die every day due to a drug overdose. Sad and scary.
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Hi Vale,
Maybe past time?
I don’t know if even presented with the reality, that they are able to see it. And I have done the same, excelled at keeping the ship from sinking, saving face. I did have to make amends for the assignments, for the interference, for the drinking … Hypocrite, I excelled well at too
Oh cynical, the FDA is quite confident that with the new hydro regulations it will all be fine and this drug won’t contribute to the problem. See they do denial well too.
And yet I don’t know … it is a good thing to look at a drug and then look at how it will effect addiction rates. Shouldn’t it be, if it is useful, if it will bring a quality of life to those who need it. I really do not want my choice taken away if the need be.
Maybe past time?
I don’t know if even presented with the reality, that they are able to see it. And I have done the same, excelled at keeping the ship from sinking, saving face. I did have to make amends for the assignments, for the interference, for the drinking … Hypocrite, I excelled well at too
Oh cynical, the FDA is quite confident that with the new hydro regulations it will all be fine and this drug won’t contribute to the problem. See they do denial well too.
And yet I don’t know … it is a good thing to look at a drug and then look at how it will effect addiction rates. Shouldn’t it be, if it is useful, if it will bring a quality of life to those who need it. I really do not want my choice taken away if the need be.
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Of course it is money...
And the technology behind that is a lot of money as well ... which is what they will use to justify the wait.
And as soon as the harder abuse potential version comes out within days someone will work on and share how to make it abusable again.
Because you know and I know that this won't stop addiction.
Surely they can spend their money better too.
And the technology behind that is a lot of money as well ... which is what they will use to justify the wait.
And as soon as the harder abuse potential version comes out within days someone will work on and share how to make it abusable again.
Because you know and I know that this won't stop addiction.
Surely they can spend their money better too.
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It will all fall to the same thing, expensive, overprescribed drugs that are basically Rx H. Addicts will abuse, not be able to afford it and turn to street H and the life of an H addict will follow from there. Smoking, shooting up, so it will go, because they will always be chasing that first euphoria and their poor bodies cannot produce any dopamine on its own anymore.
How awful. Karma is surely going to catch up with the deep pockets who are responsible for all of this.
I do understand that drugs are needed for someone with illness...critical illness. It does not have to be overprescribed the way it is today. And the cost of drugs and methadone (ahhh...don't even get me started on that)...just another ploy for money, all of it.
I am absolutely disgusted, there are no other words.
How awful. Karma is surely going to catch up with the deep pockets who are responsible for all of this.
I do understand that drugs are needed for someone with illness...critical illness. It does not have to be overprescribed the way it is today. And the cost of drugs and methadone (ahhh...don't even get me started on that)...just another ploy for money, all of it.
I am absolutely disgusted, there are no other words.
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Originally Posted by incitingsilence 
Because you know and I know that this won't stop addiction..
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