Modeling addiction We all are searching for answers,to addiction pain past and present. This website is an excellent resource,I have learned,for what I call modeling addiction. Modeling is just that.A working diagram that attempts to explain observed behavior,useful only in predicting future events-----and having no intrinsic value in and of itself (e.g. when a model stops working, toss it & find a new model.) The cortex is what makes us human.When a shark attacks you while surfing,it didn't brood over the moral implications.It didn't decide to attack at this beach or that beach based on socio-economic factors or consider that eating THIS human is any more desirable than eating THAT human.In fact, in its simple mind,you looked like a (tasty!) seal because you were wearing a wetsuit. It didn't care. That's where the big disconnect between THEIR actions and OUR feelings comes in.The proto/reptilian inner brain that our outer brain is wrapped around "cares" about only one thing......dopamine. All it knows or cares about is seeking pleasure and avoiding pain.All the sophisticated machinations of the upper order is a complete non sequitor to this pleasure seeking/pain avoiding biochemical computer. It's been a long journey for me,and a big realization was that none of the disappointment,hurt feelings,feelings of injustice-----were ever appropriate in any way, shape, or form. Every time you want to "get mad" at an addict,or feel hurt or taken advantage of........just remember that person no longer has the very essense that we humans treasure most----but is only a slave to those proto subconscious urges (far below reasoned thought but able to override it) that even THEY have very little hope of understanding, let alone controlling. Disease/choice is as pointless a waste of time as nature/nurture.To even begin to think that this could be neatly reduced to a binary argument is to misunderstand it to the point of perfect non comprehension. The model I am forming to complete my visit to this particular genre of the human condition must remain one of compassion.Regret for a lost soul and so much pointless and needless misery.Scars that will negatively influence their families for generations------all of it borne of one catastrophically poor decision. Followed by the flawed egotistical one.....of refusing to correct it before the very mechanism of decision making itself ......is fatally compromised. I wish she didn't take that fork in the road.I wish her life had been more than just a horriffic cautionary tale. Wishing gets a bad rap.The proto-brain can't wish.So if you find yourself wishing-----be grateful for the privilege. Not everyone gets to. |
Thank you, Vale, I was just thinking about the reptile brain as I was taking a beautiful drive through the countryside this morning. It must have just set my mind on "primitive" which led to "primitive addict brain." I am often trying to understand the science behind addiction, and this morning I was asking, "Why does the primitive brain overtake the higher brain in addiction?" I know about all the extra dopamine receptors which grow as a result of drug abuse. I know that their "hunger" for dopamine compels the addict to compulsively seek the drug that satisfies those receptors. But the switch being completely thrown from higher brain to lower brain...the door shutting behind the addict and locking him or her into that lower brain....the science of it is confusing to me. If you know of a very good article about this, I'd appreciate a link. I just have to add one more thought to the thread. Often I hear people say, "Underneath the addiction, addicts are really lovable and wonderful people." I think language like that is a set-up for relationship disaster. "Underneath" an addiction may be a pathological narcissist. Or a predator of any variety. A sociopath. A rapist. A pathological liar. A child abuser. A maniac. It seems to me dangerously naive to say that the individual is a train wreck because of addiction but sober the individual will be compassionate and ethical. (You didn't say that, but often I hear people say that in various ways). It seems so classically codependent to me, that kind of language about who is "underneath" the addiction. Still projecting goodness onto people, still getting conned too many times. |
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Often I hear people say, "Underneath the addiction, addicts are really lovable and wonderful people." "Underneath" an addiction may be a pathological narcissist. Or a predator of any variety. A sociopath. A rapist. A pathological liar. A child abuser. A maniac. It seems to me dangerously naive to say that the individual is a train wreck because of addiction but sober the individual will be compassionate and ethical. |
Vale/EGarden, those are great points. I wondered if you were going to say making models of addiction is an addiction. *shrug* I've spent too much time thinking about what makes my A tick. Yea, we can't figure it out, but addicts can produce very revealing, vivid pictures on their exterior. It is sad to think how much damage has been done physically and what might be underneath their baser parts. |
EG & Baloo.... A fascinating spin. We DON'T know who is underneath, what the real content of their personality inventory is, do we? And so we PROJECT who we WANT to be there,and make our decisions accordingly.Often time I (as are we all) taken aback by an extraordinarily hard sales push.No offense,many make their living in sales and it is an honorable and necessary societal function. But the perennial "Would I lie to you" occasionally appears as a nuclear adjunct to the usual 'dance'. Some find it rude to reply: " I met you 3 minutes ago----how could I possibly be expected to vouch for your honesty/character?" It's truthful,but considered unfair in the 'dance hall'. It's not.The truest thing I have found in life is: the best predictor of future performance is past performance.Depending on their circumstances,people have very valid reasons to love that fact or hate it. We don't know WHO they are,or were,or will (or won't)be.My deepest and most closely held belief is that the addict I cared about was deeply scarred by unspeakable events within her own family as her very personality was forming. Quite by accident she volunteered data that (to put it mildly) made my blood run cold.How to put this as euphemistically as possible?......No.......I'm not even going to allude to it.Suffice to say when it was dropped into casual conversation I knew in the space of a hummingbirds wingbeat just HOW far out of my depth I was.......and that I had no competence,wish,or reason to do anything but initiate emergency egress from dark places I do not belong. Three time violent convicted felon......but a heart of gold? Think again. The most dangerous thing a human being can do is ignore reality.I did it and it was a very, very dangerous thing to do. That I navigated it to conclusion without serious life damage is temptation to pat myself on the back----and a trap laid by fate for the egotistical. I was lucky.That's it. The race does not always go to the swift......but that's the way to bet.That the house of addiction always wins is a tenet without exception.That house is not my friend-----I am a working man with a fantastic wife,life,family,and future. But in summary, we don't really KNOW what's in Pandora's box before we open it,do we? That therein lies a heart of gold is indeed a possibility- ---like winning the lotto. Fun if it happens,but don't plan on doing it for a living. |
EG, You may want to check out some studies by George Vaillant at Harvard. "Addiction resides in what is often referred to as our reptilian brain, and—well, alligators don’t come when they’re called.” |
Cynical, THAT'S funny! They don't come when called! (but sometimes they show up when you DIDN'T call......and you end up minus a leg!) I think next time I'll save a buck or two and just order the "Complete works of Godzilla" on Netflix......and watch those lizards tear the crap out of downtown Tokyo..... and each other!! I know,I know----some of them were so low budget you could see the zippers on the monster costumes....but UNLIKE addiction,when I get sick of it I just press the OFF button on my remote..... don't have to change my phone number! ;) |
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