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Old 10-06-2010, 01:04 PM
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I'd like to get this off my chest

I came upon this forum while doing searches on Nar-Anon.

My husband is a substance abuser. He hasn't seen a sober day from at least July of 2009. He has spent the last 15 months with a constant chemical level in his system. He denies there is a problem with that.

He spends money that we don't have on his substance. His use has increased over the course of perhaps two years...first maybe once or twice a month, then most weekends, then every weekend, then a few nights after work per week, to every night after work, to several times a day, every day. He starts and ends every day of every week high.

He has become isolated, suspicious, angry, lethargic, abusive, and apathetic. He blames his current situation on me. I don't buy into it. He spends his days off in bed, often until the mid-afternoon. When he's out of bed, he's playing Halo on the Xbox. This is his weekend.

We have two school-aged children. Much of the time he spends with them is yelling at them, or yelling at me to have them be quiet. He nearly lost his job because when he doesn't feel up to going, he doesn't. His boss gave him "one more chance".

So while reading up on substance abuse, I came upon this forum. I read through some of the threads, and thought that this could be a place for me to learn, share, and gain insight. One thing that I learned about myself is that I have hit my rock bottom. I found a local Nar-Anon chapter; the next available meeting is in 5 days from today, and I thought I may be able to find the courage to actually go. I'm sure all this sounds familiar to you.

All this came to a jarring halt after reading a thread here last night, in which a poster said something that took me aback. The poster was talking about marijuana, and stated (and I am paraphrasing) how he/she sort of has to "chuckle" when he/she hears about marijuana abuse, in that it's not one of the "big, bad" drugs. He/she stated that they really didn't even consider marijuana to be a "drug". Chuckle.

My husband's drug of choice is marijuana.

This is a real eye-opener. This leads me now to believe that on some level, maybe unconscious?...there is a hierarchy on the validity of one's drug of choice. What's the pecking order?...the Meth Team chuckles at the Marijuana Team, the Oxy Team snickers at the Meth Team, but the Heroin Team trumps them all? Maybe I can find a lowly glue sniffer to validate what *I* am going through.

Am I to expect this if I attend a Nar-Anon meeting? Some polite "chuckling" that my husband's "drug" of choice is "only marijuana"? I should thank that poster for alerting me to a potentially uncomfortable situation, should I decide to attend: that I'd be walking into a support group meeting for a problem that apparently doesn't exist. And that I might be "chuckled" at by the "hardcore drug" (his/her words) team.

Peace.

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Old 10-06-2010, 01:23 PM
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Please don't take the offhand remark of one poster here to be representative of all of SR, or your local community, or the world.

In my opinion, it is not which substance that is causing the problem that is important. Doesn't really matter in my mind if it pot or coke or Cheese Doodles. What matters is that the substance in question has become the focus of a physical addiction paired with a mental compulsion. That is what addiction is.

His relationship with pot has caused a deterioration of his mental state, his family and personal relationships, his physical health and his personality. It has affected his ability to work, think, and relate to himself and the world around him with any sense of normalcy.

If you encounter any sense of one-upmanship out in the world regarding this issue I am sorry. No one should be given the task of legitimizing your pain based on their perceptions of the world. Only you know what you have gone through. Only you know your own pain. Ignore anyone trying to make it a team sport.
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Old 10-06-2010, 01:24 PM
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i am sorry you are going threw this! Please go to the meeting! addiction is addiction no matter what it is too. it is a lot more about how this whole situation makes you feel then what kind of drugs he is using. If you keep reading the stories we all feel so much of the same feelings, going threw the same things. Even if you don't feel that way if the situation bothers you seek help.
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Old 10-06-2010, 02:51 PM
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Mushin, so sorry your going through this, but please know your not alone. go to meetings and keep reading on here about addiction. doesnt matter what the choice of drug is, its the lifestyle or lack of normalcy or lack of anything that makes it so painful for family as addiction destroys lives, yours included ...
so keep reading and dont be afraid to post, this forum saved me big time
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His use of marijuana and his lifestyle are problematic for you and your children. That's what matters.

Is it acceptable to you to expose your children to the instability of addiction?

It becomes an either/or scenario. Either you accept him as is/where is or you don't and act upon this. It's that in between spot where you think you can control this that becomes pure hell for the entire family.
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Old 10-06-2010, 04:17 PM
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Welcome to SR......although, as always, I am sorry for the circumstances that bring you here.

Others in previous posts have said it well......the bottom line is......addiction is addiction. And addiction is disruptive and distructive. It is actually the behaviors that accompany addiction that are so bad.......and addiction is progressive......it gets worse.

I can only imagine how hard it is living with someone who is stoned continually. The very difficult part is that it is your partner, your husband. The person who should be sharing life's burdens and joys equally with you.

I'm going to attempt to explain the off handed comment that someone made that you took offense to......I hope it helps you understand. My son is addicted to meth and heroin. It scares the living daylights out of me. I have to accept that a series of choices were made that led him to this lifestyle. His addiction started with booze and marijuana. With each progression of drug, my level of fear has grown exponetially. I now fear for his life.....literally. There is no pride in that. There is no one upsmanship. It is simply a very sad truth. Those of us with loved ones who are addicted to those hardcore drugs live with things that hurt our feelings too. People don't think twice about calling someone a bum or a junkie--but those junkies have mothers, and fathers, brothers, and sisters who love them. I did not fear for my son's life when he was smoking pot but I could still see how very detrimental it was to his emotional growth. It was still addiction. It was still illegal. It lost him several jobs (bad UA's). It caused lethargy and warped thinking. He was unpleasant to be around. It caused his family to become sick around him. That's what addiction does......regardless of the drug of choice.

Your husband's choices are affecting you and your children. And you are recognizing it and are pursuing ways to cope--that's what's really important. I do hope you make it to your Naranon Meeting in a few days. Quite honestly, many people are put off when they first start going because they don't understand what it's all about.......at least, that's the way it was for me. But I kept going. Naranon and SR help me to find serenity and keep my sanity. I hope it will do the same for you.

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Old 10-06-2010, 04:28 PM
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The bottom line is that your husbands drug use is affecting your serenity and well being...not to mention the long term effect it will have on your children.

I believe that pot is a gateway drug, that it opens the door to harder drugs. It may take months or years to cross the line to cocaine, crack, meth and so on, however, this is a progressive disease, that is a fact.

Do what is best for you and your children. Your children must be your first priorty.

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Old 10-06-2010, 04:41 PM
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Old 10-06-2010, 06:29 PM
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Definately go..or go to alanon(I do) as we do not have any naraonon meetings in my area. You probably will find people who do not consider it possible to be dependent on pot. Oh well. There are tons of debates w/in the ANon communities. There are people in AA who are on the "marajuana maintence program".I even had one mom say "God I wish my kid was only a pothead". And I get that because my kid is heroin addict.
BUT addiction is addiction and you are describing an addict. One thing is you don't even have to say what your husbands DOC is. Just say "uses" and its nobody's business. We try to keep the focus on ourselves and off what the addict does anyway. In general people are pretty cool and accepting, but you are right, the drugs that kill you faster are considered more problematic/serious. Beleive me, like KindEyes said..it's no picnic with the hard drug users either. Glad you found SR..welcome.:ghug3

PS..if we r ranking, then yes heroin trumps all:rotfxko
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Old 10-06-2010, 08:34 PM
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I agree that if it's effecting your life and the life of your children in a negative way then it's not a problem to be scoffed at or made less.

As someone who has a recovering meth addict husband I do have my thoughts and feelings on certain drugs compared to the "big baddies." I think, chemically speaking, that some drugs do an incredible amount of physiological damage on the body. I know meth is a really nasty one (as an example) with long-term effects such as fatal kidney and lung disorders, brain damage, liver damage, blood clots, chronic depression, hallucinations, violent and aggressive behavior, malnutrition, disturbed personality development, deficient immune system, and methamphetamine psychosis, a mental disorder that may be paranoid psychosis or may mimic schizophrenia. But, how many of those conditions did you describe in how your recovering loved one acts? Quite a few.

Crack will have its own set of issues, as will heroin, oxy, E, coke, acid, etc. All you have to do is google "Syd Barrett" to see what acid did to a brilliant mind.

But, set ALL of these physiological things aside and it all boils down to how each INDIVIDUAL acts and reacts around the substance. I've known people who swear they've tried meth once and it "just wasn't for them," they never did it again (same with coke, E, heroin, etc). But, certain substances in the hands of someone who has an addict mentality? That chosen substance (drug of choice) could be what brings about hardship, pain, suffering for themselves and loved ones.

I certainly never meant to downplay someone else's addiction to a drug such as pot. If my lighthearted reply was in poor taste then for that I do apologize. Addiction, imho, is not a laughing matter and that certainly wasn't my intention to come across that way.

Each case is different. I see no addiction as more or less severe. But, I do know there are documented, chemical differences between some of these substances, especially in regard to what it can do to the body. But even then, who can say what is more or less? I cannot imagine the damage smoking marijuana does to the lungs alone and I am not really up to date on the latest research as to what it does to the mind long-term.

Anyway, sorry for the long reply. I just wanted to state that I'm definitely not here to have a "peeing contest" as to whose recovering addict loved one is "worse off." What's the point? We all want sobriety for the people we care about, we want health and happiness and while I'm happy to meet someone new and offer help/support, I'm equally saddened by the circumstances in which we all find ourselves. As great as all of you are, I imagine we would all be happier if we had no need for a board such as this. But, the truth of the matter is . . . we do.

At least we can lean on one another.

Oh, and about the meetings. I think with any meeting there is the potential to have social quirks and clicks and judgments. Hopefully, you will find a group that works for you. I went to a few alanon meetings when no naranon meetings were available and I always felt I was treated differently. I have, since, stuck to naranon meetings. It could be it was just a bad few session. It could be I projected my own fears into others' reactions and responses. But, either way, try and try until you find a good fit.
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Old 10-06-2010, 08:35 PM
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The bottom line is that your husbands drug use is affecting your serenity and well being...not to mention the long term effect it will have on your children.

I believe that pot is a gateway drug, that it opens the door to harder drugs. It may take months or years to cross the line to cocaine, crack, meth and so on, however, this is a progressive disease, that is a fact.

Do what is best for you and your children. Your children must be your first priorty.

Hugs,
I really agree with this. Also, the fact that he has to do the drug every day and doesn't "think there is anything wrong with it," tells me there is a serious problem.
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Alanon and Naranon are suppsed to be about you. The goal as I understand it is to help you work through issues of your codependency. It doesn't matter if you husband is addicted to cheese doodles, crack cocaine, pot or scratching his belly.

The first step is to accept that you have no control over your husband's behavior and that your life has become unmanageable.

Have you?
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The pecking order, hmmm with a smile I say that codependency is the sure winner here.

It isn’t about the drug anyway it is about behavior. The drug, the person, the dice, the cards, the food or lack of, the bottle, the video game, the internet, the porn, sex…which by the way shift real nicely from one to another. All are but a symptom of the disease, ruled by control, a need to or a feeling of not having any that intertwine.

I wonder is his behavior acceptable to you?
Would it be if he wasn’t using?

What you wrote can be such an easy excuse not to get help. Falling right into that poor pity me…Playing that no one understands or cares….Try not to get stuck in that or other perceptions because it has nothing to do with you.

YOU do not go to meetings or seek out help for anyone but yourself. And it isn’t about anyone else there, other peoples perceptions are not your problem!
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Old 10-08-2010, 06:49 AM
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There isn't much more I can say that hasn't already been said. I hope you can start moving in a better direction for yourself and pray your husband follows suit. It sounds like he is on the cusp of his floor cracking through...the bottom finally starting to fall out.

There is one guy in particular I have seen posting on the SA Forum that has an admitted addiction to marijuana...and a couple of people in all that I've seen. Your can peruse that forum, do a search on marij and probably find his posts. It might be enlightening for you.

As far as meetings go, alanon can be a help too. I have never been to naranon, but have gone to alanon. My AH is a substance AND alcohol abuser...I have never felt unwelcome there. I say give the naranon a chance and if it doesn't seem like a good fit, then try the other. Truthfully, I find alcohol and marijuana to be similar in that a lot of people seem to "handle" them okay, yet others can't. It makes the lines very hard to draw...esp for individuals stuck in those addictions as they have so many "examples" to draw on that can make them feel okay with it (i.e. well so in so is much worse then me...blah, blah). All of it sucks IMO!!!

One other thing about meetings is that sometimes one naranon/alanon meeting might not feel like a fit, but if you go to another one it might just be. You may have to shop around a little. The first alanon I found I didn't like at all, and almost walked away, but my counselor suggested I try another and I did and liked it much better. Just wanted to share that.

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Old 10-08-2010, 09:13 AM
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My first meeting (naranon) was a terrible fit. I felt like the leader was snippy, self-righteous, rude and unsympathetic to some of these really sensitive issues that were brought up by members. That helps me in no way whatsoever when someone wags a finger and chides people.

I gave up for a while, then tried again a month later (another time slot, same location). Different group, different feel. Worked wonders.

I've known some people try 4-5 different groups in their area. The unfortunate thing to all of this is if you live in a low population area, you may only have access to 1-2 meetings.

I've found some great online meetings too where you go to a chat room.

Whatever you decide, don't let anyone (including your addicted loved one) try to downplay what this is doing to you emotionally.
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There is one guy in particular I have seen posting on the SA Forum that has an admitted addiction to marijuana...
I'm not that guy, but I can absolutely vouch that marijuana was addictive to me. My pot addiction was a ten-year hole into which I threw my life. It consumed me morning, noon and night. Worse than the alcohol problem I’m trying to recover from now. Scientific evidence shows the havoc that pot wreaks on the brain’s pleasure seeking mechanism. There are withdrawal symptoms and cravings associated with quitting. I might have been risking my life when I used Meth; I was wasting my life on pot.

As for what you should do, all the advice in the other posts seemed appropriate.
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Some have a problem with pot, some don't. That doesn't negate the negative effects for those with a problem. Please ignore the post about marijuana being a 'safe' or 'soft' drug. It's not what the addict does or how much or how often, it's the effect it has on their lives and the lives of their families.

I will keep you in my prayers for peace of mind and resolution of your family's problems.
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I'm not that guy, but I can absolutely vouch that marijuana was addictive to me. My pot addiction was a ten-year hole into which I threw my life. It consumed me morning, noon and night. Worse than the alcohol problem I’m trying to recover from now. Scientific evidence shows the havoc that pot wreaks on the brain’s pleasure seeking mechanism. There are withdrawal symptoms and cravings associated with quitting. I might have been risking my life when I used Meth; I was wasting my life on pot.

As for what you should do, all the advice in the other posts seemed appropriate.
Awesome reply. That is all.
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