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Old 01-19-2006, 04:44 AM
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I KNOW what helped me - I know what helped us.

I'm not anti Al-Anon, believing in freedom I can't be, it's a group many people have found helpful and each member, each homegroup has the absolute right to come together in their shared belief. I would defend utterly it's existance.

Friendship that insists upon agreement on all matters is notworth the name. Friendship to be real must ever sustain the weight of honest differences, however sharp they be. Ghandi
My holding different beliefs to Al-Anon doesn't in any way attack it. Just as those who prescribe to 12 step principles aren't by default attacking mine. I know to a few people other opinions can be seen as a challenge or feel threatening and I'd ask respectfully that it isn't fought over in this thread. BUT there are many here who equally feel different opinions both could and should be expressed, it would be most helpful to me to share my feelings in the context of mutual respect.

I hit the mother load of research last night and I MEAN the mother load (see last para for where). I found what I've found before, STACKS of research other than 12 step on how family members can be helped, how they can help, how a team approach can be used, it's success, and areas in the process of being developed. Not only that but family members wanting to help is viewed as POSITIVE by many researchers.

This will always strike a chord with me - for a few brief weeks we had a counsellor work with us as a team tackling joint goals which surrounding alcohol AND life goals. The effect on our lives was dramatic and many of the things we learned even in that short time stay with us. That is what helped me; I believe THAT is what helped us - but our access to it finished when that one counsellor left.

Just as I could imagine nothing more damaging than to remove Al-Anon from lives that find it helpful and leave a teamwork approach as the only alternative, I think my own lack of access is damaging too.

I suppose I not only believe in the freedom of an individual to choose, I also think it makes pragmatic sense, just as I have far more ability to choose wisely for myself the same is true of others.

Life experience teaches me where there's one then most likely there's two or three, that my desire to be effectively empowered to help someone with a serious alcohol problem would not be unique. I also know there is both knowledge and structure to enable that to be effective - just no flaming access!!

So what now? Do I ignore it? Be thankful I have at least enough acces to research to know I'm not nuts? To say well D is sober for 10 weeks now and I think we got enough nailed down to cope so all I can do is done? OR do I act to try and change things? I could approach our General Practice, I have a good relationship with them. I could pluck up the courage to email one of the (terrifyingly) respected professors writing the research and ask him where to begin. I could ask to speak to the practice nurse who deals with addiction, ask if they have a group, offer to compile research into a presentation. I could begin, I could let it begin with me.

In reality I feel very small, I'm not a doctor or professor, nor do I want to wield some axe of truth and slice down opponents, I simply want to say what worked for us was real, it's researched, the results are good, how can we begin to provide access and ALLOW people to choose.

I'm frightened I'll look arrogant be thought of as a pain or someone trying to be above their station. I'm frightened if I do nothing then I'm complicit with the status quo and have only used what I've had chance to learn for myself. Whatever I would do for myself or D shouldn't I do for a stranger?

If I could lose all concern for how I would 'appear' what others would think then there'd be nothing left to stop me asking and continuing to ask for however long it took. But I'm still scared - I've nearly got there and chickened out before, only I have more research now.

I'm even scared writing this - I'm scared I won't have the courage to make it any more than hot air!

Miss this para if you aren't interested on HOW I found the research I can't paste a link because it was by means of a process. First googling 'online journals' led me here - http://www.ingentaconnect.com/;jsess...tjkqj.victoria a subject search then accesses articles I was interested in across journals. As they sell the articles online they also provide info to each journals academic ranking, allowing me to cherry pick! Then I'd have to find the journals homepage and figure out individually how to acces their free full texts (a small proportion) - however most allow the reading of abstracts and all are available to purchase.
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To say well D is sober for 10 weeks now and I think we got enough nailed down to cope so all I can do is done? OR do I act to try and change things?
When I found out that my daughter was an alcoholic, the first thing I did was a lot of research. This logical approach has always worked for me in the past, and I figured it would work in this case too.

I gathered a lot of information, got books from Amazon about the role of nutrition, exercise, vitamins, etc... I thought I had discovered the way to cure her alcoholism.

I allowed her to stay with me for 3 1/2 months this summer, believing that I was helping to cure her alcoholism by providing a safe, non-alcoholic environment.

I drove her to 3-4 AA meetings a week, doctors, counsellors appointments, etc... I put my life on hold for months, because I was working on curing her alcoholism.

I finally had my "lightbulb moment" in August, after she drank a quart of whiskey and almost killed herself. At that point I fully accepted my powerlessness. I fully accepted I can't cure her. I accepted that the disease is too powerful for me.

I am a follower of Al-anon, because the alternative (believing I could fix her) didn't work for me.

If you believe you can help your own situation, I think that is great. Let us know how your research goes. I'm always happy to look at new information about this disease. I have an open mind.

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Hey E,
I'd love to hear what all you discover. I too have an open mind.
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E....

I took help from may quarters... not all program related.

And I took what I liked from the Program.. and molded it to my needs... my way.


Every person is a complex composition.
To say one size fits all is unrealistic.. cause.. a person may have it on.. but.. it don't mean it's gonna fit.

I know that... for myself... I have picked through the available knowledge out there.. and it all drains down to the bottom line.
People will get help and get better when they choose to do so.


I know that I have dispaired all my life that people I loved were going to give up on me... and I would die alone..
loony...
addicted...
outside...

I know many people die there everyday. So sad.



But.. that just made me work harder... cause I began to see how much my illness was draining those around me. And I'm keeping the worst to myself.. or venting it on the net here... where it disipates into the universe.. ;o)


I am having to fight my own family and people I care about around some of my own recovery as well.
And it sucks when we're not even sure of our own path.. and we get zip for support.
But.. deep down inside.. I know that I'm being true to me...
and I'm coming to accept that...

Cause.. in the end.. it's me that has to be there for me.
And I have to believe in myself enough to do that.
So.. everyday.. I work..

And I don't really have a point here other than to encourage you to keep on.
I see you working right along beside me.. even if we're in different rows...

Every time I see your name here I toss out a prayer for you and D...
Keep on keeping on gurl.. ;o)
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Eq, I think this is fantastic information for those in your situation. We have spoken about this before and you know I think there is an enormous difference between a willing and an unwilling partner. I would love to be able to comment on what you have found in your research, but I am afraid that I just don't have any experience in that scenario.

Please don't ever be afraid to post your thoughts on here.
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I don't know if this is relevant, but yesterday, I was saying to myself "you've got to think outside of the box." I feel myself getting stale in my thoughts toward my recovery. Needing to find other means with which to work. I read the wisdom expressed by a lot of the people here and am amazed how they flow with insight.

I know there are other methods that can used, but am leary of which to get. Which is legit and which is written by some idiot who has never walked the walk?

As in each case, everyone is different. If there are other programs out there that are helping people, I say go for it. 20 years ago, the idea of a therapist in association with alcoholism was considered nuts. Now, there are mental health professionals who specialize in the field. Another thing I find interesting is that there seems to be more research and experimenting with different programs across the pond. So, perhaps you're a bit ahead of the game and damned lucky too. The only thing I recently caught drift of was a weekly seminar type situation for addicts and families. I'm not really familiar with it, so I don't want to say too much. Oh, and the news said there was a new pill out there for alcoholics. I didn't even give it a minutes' thought.

So, if your research is enlightening you and helping you and D, I say that's great. You're of the mind and education you can take the information, process and use it to your advantage.

If there are alternative methods in dealing with alcoholism, and our recovery, I sure wish they'd make it publically known. Because I for one have a hell of a time sorting this stuff out.
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I wish I could post some usable method - but I can't. I can and have refenced the weight of evidence saying families can be supporting in helping those addicted AND that it shows a positive influence in results - but they are reporting a vast array of differing efforts with only brief descriptions of what they contain. We had only SIX joint sessions but they were without doubt the MOST useful help to us. We have no further access to them, no way to get back the help that WORKED FOR US. I want that to change for me and for others.

Anyway I bit the bullet and emailed this person: http://www.bath.ac.uk/mhrdu/staff/lorna.htm

She's the lead researcher in this:
http://www.bath.ac.uk/mhrdu/drug-alcohol/index.htm

I've asked for any info including the website URL described here
The internet site which we propose to develop, based in the first instance around the self-help manual developed for our primary care work, will have two functions. One will be to support service providers and their clients who are involved in the specialist
and primary care demonstration sites. The second function is to provide a resource for those family members who are able to access it but who are not in contact with services. We know from the prevalence statistics and from our experience in working with primary care practices, that it is difficult to identify and reach concerned and affected family members. We hope a developing internet site, based on our work, will go some way towards filling that gap.
at the SUMMARY OF THE AERC CONFERENCE ON FAMILY APPROACHES TO
ALCOHOL PROBLEMS: BIRMINGHAM UK, NOVEMBER 11TH, 2003 Reference

I've told I'd like to pass it on to our doctors.

I wonder if she will reply? If not I'll have to start somewhere else.
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I'm slightly puzzled by your references to being "supportive". Do you get the impression that Al-anon members aren't encouraged to be supportive if their spouses start to get help? That really isn't the case at all.

And I was hugely supportive of R's recovery. Unfortunately, he was still drinking, so fat lot of good it did anybody.
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If there are alternative methods in dealing with alcoholism, and our recovery, I sure wish they'd make it publically known. Because I for one have a hell of a time sorting this stuff out.
I feel sick to my stomach that without research no-one would have told me this - I gave up the bold - it'd have been the whole effing article!!
Empirical Findings

There exists a convincing body of literature indicating that marital and family intervention approaches are more successful in substance abuse treatment than individual intervention alone (O'Farrell, 1992; O'Farrell & Fals-Stewart, 1999; Stanton & Shadish, 1997; Waldron & Slesnick, 1998). More specifically, evidence indicates that there is benefit associated with including focus on an individual's "real world" interpersonal relationships as a fundamental component of intervention efforts (Borovec & Whisman, 1996). Family intervention is associated with better compliance and better treatment outcomes for individuals with alcohol use disorders (McCrady & Epstein, 1996; O'Farrell & Fals-Stewart, 1999). Most recent studies of family intervention approaches involve out-patient treatment (Allen & Litten, 1999).
Family members, as significant others (SOs), play an important role in treatment outcomes. Alcohol treatment outcomes are more significant in situations of positive marital adjustment (Moos, Finney, & Cronkite, 1990). There is little doubt that the significant others in a person's life can actively encourage the individual to maintain problematic behaviors like excessive drinking. However, it is also important to note that involving a "supportive significant other" (SSO) in the process of therapy concerning substance problems is associated with improved retention and more favorable intervention outcomes (Miller & Heather, 1998; Zweben & Pearlman, 1983). O'Farrell (1995) reports that the involvement of spouses or significant others in behavioral couples therapy is associated with improved treatment engagement and reduced drinking behavior compared to individual therapy.

The "significant others" in a person's life can have a great influence on the individual's motivation for change-including a spouse, intimate partner, other family member, or friend (Burke, Vassilev, Kantchelov, & Zweben, 2002; Hasin, 1994). Motivation to change is positively affected by individuals in a person's environment who express concern, offer help, and reinforce the negative consequences of the problem-in a non-demanding way (Miller & Rollnick, 1991). In addition to legal consequences, pressure from family members and significant others is a powerful route to treatment and engagement (Stanton, 1997). Proper involvement of a significant other in the intervention process can help in identifying barriers and solutions, as well as providing corroborating or contrary information about what happens outside of the treatment setting (Burke, Vassilev, Kantchelov, & Zweben, 2002). These individuals can facilitate implementation of change strategies, promote self-efficacy, motivate, help recognize triggers, and act as an "early warning system" for relapse. There is some evidence that these individuals can help improve treatment compliance for alcohol medication regimes, as well, although this evidence is somewhat conflicted when different studies are compared to one another (O'Farrell, 1995).

Project MATCH results (a multi-year, multi-site controlled comparison study of different treatment approaches) indicate an interactive effect on treatment outcomes between the type of intervention modality and social support networks. Twelve-step facilitation (TSP) was found to be more efficacious than Motivational Enhancement Therapy (MET) among clients whose natural social networks supported and reinforced drinking behavior. MET was better than TSP, however, among clients whose social networks were determined to be low support for drinking (Project MATCH, 1997a, 1997b, 1998a). This project also found that individuals, in describing the factor most helpful in maintaining their motivation to change, most often identified spousal support as helping them transition from the action to maintenance stage of recovery (Project Match, 1997a). As noted by Burke, Vassileve, Kantchelov, & Zweben (2002), these findings are consistent with the results of other treatment outcome and natural recovery studies. For example, a relatively short, structured series of family therapy and "significant others" intervention sessions was associated with no difference in drinking outcomes among individuals who have high levels of social support for abstinence, but with distinctly improved outcomes for individuals with low levels of support for abstinence (Longabaugh, Beattie, Noel, Stout, & Malloy, 1993). The addition of a specific couples based Relapse Prevention (RP) training program (CALM-2) at the conclusion of a behavioral marital therapy program is associated with better long-term outcomes than behavioral marital therapy alone (O'Farrell, Choquette, Cutter, Brown, & McCourt, 1993; O'Farrell, 1995)-this is especially true for couples experiencing severe relationship problems.

O'Farrell (1995) summarizes a set of factors that predict acceptance and completion of marital and family therapy by alcoholics. Among the factors are: couple living together, or if separated, are willing to reconcile for the duration of treatment; couple enters treatment following a relationship-threatening crisis; other family members (including the partner) do not have alcoholism; the alcoholic and other family members are without serious psychopathology or other drug abuse; and an absence of family violence that has produced serious injury or is potentially life threatening. These factors are important because in order for treatment to be effective, the alcoholic must be retained in treatment and must participate in the process. McCrady, Epstein, and Hirsch (1999) have demonstrated that alcohol-focused behavioral couples therapy (ABCT) results in greater post-treatment marital happiness, fewer incidents of marital separation, and fewer incidents of domestic violence than general family systems approaches (also see NIAAA's "Alcohol Problems in Intimate Relationships: Identification and Intervention-A Guide for Marriage and Family Therapists," February, 2003).

In situations where both partners in a couple have a similar problem (e.g., both have problems with alcohol), there exists a clear advantage to working with them simultaneously (Allsop & Saunders, 1991). Furthermore, it is important to make control of the alcohol abuse the first priority in working with couples, rather than beginning with the marital relationship, because recurrent alcohol-related incidents and interactions undermine therapeutic relationship gains.

Many of our clients have had previous unsuccessful experiences with therapists who saw the couple in MFT without dealing with the alcohol abuse. The hope that reduction in marital or family distress will lead to improvement in the drinking problem rarely is fulfilled. (O'Farrell, 1995, p. 196).

Once the alcohol issues have come under some degree of control, it is important to begin addressing the family problems caused by drinking (e.g., legal problems, income and financial security issues, housing problems, and issues affecting the family's interactions with the social world), as well as other family issues that may have been overshadowed or obscured by the alcohol problems (O'Farrell, 1995).

In order for a significant other to be supportive of the change process, it may be necessary to address (1) his or her difficulties arising from attempting to cope with the partner's alcohol problems and (2) his or her ambivalence about changing behaviors that contribute to the target individual maintaining the drinking behavior, and (3) means of developing a consensus between the partners about the goals of treatment (Burke et al., 2002). Involvement of the significant other may be counterproductive if this individual is overwhelmed, overly angry and resentful, and/or uncommitted to change (Longabaugh, et al., 1993). Training the significant other may be especially important in situations where the alcoholic is not yet contemplating change and this individual can help move the person into treatment.

The Community Reinforcement Training (CRT) approach is based on an assumption that shifts in the patterns of reinforcement and contingencies can be used to change an alcohol abuser's behavior. The Community Reinforcement and Family Training program (CRAFT) engages family in the process, as well as providing family and supportive significant others with skills for self-protection from intimate partner violence, means of encouraging sobriety, abilities to encourage professional help-seeking, and knowledge of how to support the therapeutic process (Sisson & Azrin, 1986, 1993). In a small sample study, CRT (compared to standard treatment controls) was associated with an average 50% reduction in drinking prior to entering treatment and almost total abstinence during the three months after entering treatment; 6 of 7 alcoholic partners entered treatment compared to none of the 5 control group individuals (whose alcohol consumption did not change during the 3 months period).

In a similar vein, the Unilateral Family Therapy approach (Thomas & Ager, 1993) provides support and attempts to increase the well-being and functioning of individuals engaged in relationships with substance abusers. This approach prepares nonalcoholic partners with their own coping mechanisms, skills to enhance family functioning (e.g., reducing nagging and other forms of negative communication), and ways to facilitate sobriety (including treatment entry) on the part of the alcohol abusing partner. Unilateral Family Therapy (UFT) was associated with significantly greater chances that alcoholics will enter into treatment and/or reduce their drinking in small sample study (Thomas et al., 1987).

A more coercive approach, termed The Johnson Institute Intervention, involves training family and significant others to confront an alcohol abuser, request that he or she seek treatment, and impose consequences for not seeking help. The goal of this program is treatment engagement by the alcohol abuser. The approach is controversial (on practical and ethical bases), and there is limited evidence of effectiveness with the widely diverse population of individuals with alcohol use disorders (Connors, Donovan, & DiClemente, 2001).

Another approach which relies on Al-Anon concepts (i.e., detaching oneself from the other's drinking, accepting that they are powerless to control the alcoholic partner) prepares partners to cope with their own emotional distress and motivations for change, rather than attempting to motivate the alcoholic partner to change (Dittrich, 1993; Dittrich & Traphold, 1984). While it is not clear that the intervention is associated with changes in the drinking individual, there have been persistent improvements in some qualities among the supported partners. And, while there is not a base of controlled research concerning Al-Anon outcomes, there have been studies suggesting that Al-Anon members use fewer ineffective means of coping with the drinking (O'Farrell, 1995).

Controlled, randomized clinical trials are beginning to shape a picture of what is effective in family intervention. One such study compared the CRAFT, Al-Anon, and Johnson Institute Intervention approaches for effectiveness in getting an alcohol abuser into treatment. The highest overall treatment rate for the alcoholic family members was associated with the CRAFT therapy (64%). The vast majority of families in the Johnson Institute condition chose not to complete the intervention; 70% failed to follow-up with the critical confrontation session. Since the Al-Anon facilitation is not designed for engaging the alcoholic in treatment, it is not surprising that this was not a common outcome (Miller, Meyers, & Tonigan, 1999).

The bulk of the controlled clinical research trials that include a family component in alcohol treatment examine adults with partners, and possibly the children of adult alcohol abusers. However, it is also important to consider the role of family and significant others in the treatment of adolescents who struggle with alcohol problems (Brown, Myers, Mott, & Vik, 1994). For example, Integrated Family and Cognitive Behavioral Therapy demonstrated effectiveness on several outcome variables when used with adolescents meeting criteria for alcohol and marijuana use disorders (Latimer, Winters, D'Zurilla & Nichols, 2003). Similarly, Multidimensional Family Therapy resulted in better risk reduction and protection promoting processes than peer group therapy with adolescents referred to treatment for substance abuse and behavioral problems (Liddle, et al., 2004). This type of family based, multi-system, and developmentally oriented intervention targets the functioning of adolescents and their parents across multiple systems and a variety of known risk/protective factors.

It is also important to consider that the most important significant others in an individual's life may not be the most obvious ones-it may not be the spouse, it may be an adult's parent or grandparent, child, or best friend. Not only do these individuals have important contributions to offer in the assessment process, creating an accurate picture of the individual's "relational functions" involving them is often an important aspect of the overall assessment process, as well (Waldron & Slesnick, 1998).

There is evidence that identifies several potential barriers to effective family intervention with substance abuse. The first of these is a potential for violence occurring in the family. Where an acute risk of severe violence exists (violence that may result in serious injury or is life-threatening), the immediate intervention goals must be altered to prioritize safety, safety planning, and conflict containment (O'Farrell & Fals-Stewart, 1999). In these situations, it is recommended to treat the individuals separately (Murphy & O'Farrell, 1996). In some cases there may be legal restrictions in place (i.e., court orders, restraining orders, no contact orders) that preclude conjoint family sessions. A second major barrier is the presence of more than one actively substance abusing family member in the family-particularly if these individuals are partners in consumption. Another demonstrated barrier is the existence of high levels of blame and rumination from family members (usually the partner) toward the substance abusing individual. There may also exist practical barriers to social work intervention from a family perspective-for example, geographical distances; family members who are deceased, divorced, mission, incarcerated or otherwise separated; coordination of family members' schedules and child care responsibilities; securing reimbursement for services delivered to multiple individuals. Finally, social workers should attend to the outcomes emerging from recent large-scale, multi-service, service integration and coordination studies with women on welfare who experience problems with alcohol or other substances, compounded by risks for child protective services involvement and domestic violence (e.g., CASA WORKS for families, or TANF-MATE in Milwaukee, Wisconsin).
The web reference is elswhere on SR nudge me if you want me to dig it out. It contains full references tio all the studies in the article above.
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I'm slightly puzzled by your references to being "supportive". Do you get the impression that Al-anon members aren't encouraged to be supportive if their spouses start to get help?
I don't want to debate Al-Anon. I'm glad they suggest whatever support they do - there's evidence that helps.
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Robina,

I'm not trying to cure D, to me being able to cure is out of my reach but being able to help isn't.

I want a world where that help is supported and guided by research into what works - the research is there - the access to support for family members wanting to help isn't.

Doing this is about trying to network information between researchers and proffessionals not neccessarily specialising in addiction but who often are left trying to help - people like a GP.
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Sorry, hon, I wasn't trying to start a debate about Al-anon. I was just puzzled that you thought that the "supportive" approach was something new.

Collaborative recovery, to coin a term, could work wonders for some couples, I totally agree, and IS very different to 12 Steps. And I believe that it is probably happening a lot in the UK though rehabs, according to the experience of some al-anon people I know in different parts of the country.
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Equus,

Yours truly has been involved in various 12 step programs for 25yrs. Including starting a whole new one. I've been reading books, doing conferences, working the program all those years up to my eyeballs. The whole concept of a 12 step program was invented by people who were doing research into cures for alcoholism. They didn't find a cure, but they found something quite useful. You're doing research for information that may be of use is absolutely wonderful and in no way contradicts or opposes anything in the 12 step programs. Whether you personally follow a 12 step program is also irrelevant. In fact, the two founders of AA, according to Bill Wilson (primary author of the "Big Book" ) were a Doctor and a Psychiatrist, neither of which were Alcoholics. So you are in good company.

Please do share what you find. All of us together can benefit.

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There is a very fine line here, and I might not be fully understanding your situation, but it sounds like you think that you can somehow "turn the tide" or in some way, your contributions will help him get sober. You mention wanting to "help".

Once I fully accepted my powerlessness over the disease, it gave me an incredible power. It freed me from obsessing over the disease 24-7, it freed me from believing I could cure someone's alcoholism, it freed me from feeling horrible every time my daughter relapsed. It freed me from the desire or need to research about the disease.

I never stopped loving or caring about the alcoholic. I just have a different mind set now.

The alcoholic knows that she has a mother and family members who love her and I really believe that knowledge will give her something to work towards, if and when she decides to do the hard work of recovery. If the alcoholic knows they have loved ones who care about them, well sure, that's a good thing.

But I stopped believing that I could guide, help, fix, or nudge her into recovery. I am powerless over this disease. Accepting that fact brought amazing spiritual riches into my life.
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Robina,

I know you are talking with all sincerity and I'm, utterly grateful for your concern. We hold different views but can remain understanding of the need to follow the paths we've chosen. I do believe I can help - but only because I don't believe people work, think, decide, feel, hope, dream or act in isolation. I believe I need help to be able to make what I offer more worthwhile.

Collaborative recovery, to coin a term, could work wonders for some couples, I totally agree, and IS very different to 12 Steps. And I believe that it is probably happening a lot in the UK though rehabs, according to the experience of some al-anon people I know in different parts of the country.
Yep - I know it's getting used here and there - just not HERE (where I live!). Also I think perhaps it could be extended beyond rehabs to doctors, addiction nurses, advice centres should at least be aware and in my experience often they're not.

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Yours truly has been involved in various 12 step programs for 25yrs. Including starting a whole new one. I've been reading books, doing conferences, working the program all those years up to my eyeballs. The whole concept of a 12 step program was invented by people who were doing research into cures for alcoholism. They didn't find a cure, but they found something quite useful. You're doing research for information that may be of use is absolutely wonderful and in no way contradicts or opposes anything in the 12 step programs. Whether you personally follow a 12 step program is also irrelevant. In fact, the two founders of AA, according to Bill Wilson (primary author of the "Big Book" ) were a Doctor and a Psychiatrist, neither of which were Alcoholics. So you are in good company.

Please do share what you find. All of us together can benefit.

Mike :-)
Thanks Mike - It's always struck me as ironic that something new or different can be seen as a threat to AA. It seems to me AA's own founders were the biggest rebels in alcohol research of their day!! I may be wrong but I get the feeling they spent hours and hours in debate of the accepted norm. I can't imagine them alive today without their noses stuffed in books shaking up the whole shabang as more is learned!

** reference for post # 9:
From - Module 10J Alcohol and the Family - NIAAA: Social Work Education for the Prevention and Treatment of alcohol use disorders.
Reference - references in article are at the bottom of the page.
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Eqqus, keep researching. To date there is no CURE found for alcoholism and you know I think we have to do different things to help ourselves get better and stay better.
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