In the hospital... I don’t think I can do it anymore

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Old 03-11-2020, 08:13 PM
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In the hospital... I don’t think I can do it anymore

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I am feeling really guilty right now and looking for something to show me I’m not alone or that I’m not this nasty person, I guess.

I am not married, though maybe you could consider us unofficially married. We have been together 5+ years. My boyfriend is an active alcoholic. He has heart disease and was diagnosed with this close to 2 years ago. He was told he had the power to reverse most of it by stopping the beer. He never did. In fact, I think he has gotten far worse in the last year or so. He has progressively been going down hill for a long time, I saw this day coming and for awhile I tried and tried as anyone may do, but I GAVE UP!! I simply gave up, I quit caring and I quit trying. I even told him, if you end up back in the hospital, I am not going to submit myself to the stress and horror of it again. I can’t. He said Fine. I said Fine, and now look. He’s back.

We both caught the flu, his went from bad to worse and he developed pneumonia. He was literally dying right in front of my eyes and he refused to get help or be seen by a doctor. I took him to ER, he refused to go in. I called the ambulance one day and he refused to go with them, and they wouldn’t force it. Finally about a day later, I drove to hospital and broke down crying and said it’s up to you - you either go in there willingly and I’ll follow you, or you refuse and I’ll ask the security guard to remove you from my vehicle and I’ll drive away and never be seen again. You are not going to sit in my life and make me watch you kill your self bc I am the one who has to live with that, not you.

He decided to go in, got inside and pretty much collapsed right there in the ER. Doctors told me had he not come in, he wouldn’t be here. He has severe pneumonia, his kidneys in failure and his heart beat was 180-200 something. They obviously admitted him right away and I got mad... not at that, at HIM. I didn’t tell him, but I was livid. Was it selfish reasons? Probably. I stayed maybe 15-20 minutes (long enough to give them his info and all they needed) and left and didn’t go back that day. I went back next morning, completely doesn’t know anything - doesn’t know where he is, who he is, who I am, nothing. He was hallucinating and very confused and slightly agitated. They rushed him to MRI looking for stroke. That was clear-negative. This is relief, but my concern is brain damage and that can’t answer this they said - they said alcohol consumption can definitely cause that.

I am just at my wits end. I go and visit and I leave. I almost don’t even feel sorry for the man. I do... believe me I do, I haven’t slept in days and I cry so hard I lost my voice, but I don’t even want to be there. I really don’t. I feel he did this to himself and now it’s up to me to try and pick up all the pieces. We have a very busy life and without him here I am losing my mind. I truly felt like giving up today and calling it done. I don’t know how I’m going to do this, and I’m not even sure I want to.

I am finding I am blaming myself - maybe I should’ve tried harder. Maybe I should be sleeping there beside him right now. But I’m not. I’m home. I don’t feel good, I’m still trying to recover fully from the flu myself. I lost my voice and half what I say doesn’t even come out of my mouth. Ugh.

Tonight I was there briefly... and it’s very very difficult watching this man I love, look like a very frail child. He’s in a diaper and can’t even get up and go to the bathroom. Why in the hell did he allow this to happen and what happens next?! I almost feel I’m losing all respect for him, if I even had much. See? I sound horrible. But this isn’t right. He was told many many times this would happen and he did not care.

of course I care... I just wish I didn’t. Maybe that’s it.
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Unrealcat, I know you've said how busy you are, but is there any chance you can get to an Al-Anon meeting soon?

You are not alone. You are not the only person who has felt like this. Please take care of yourself right now, and if you don't want to be there, don't be there. He is where he should be. Now is the time to focus on yourself.
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Remember the 3 C's when dealing with an alcoholic:

-I Didn’t Cause It
-I Can’t Cure it
-I Can’t Control It
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I'm really sorry for what brings you here unrealcat - but ths is a place of grest support.

Reading all the things you've done for our ex I definitely think you've done more than most people would - way more - you are not to blame for where your ex finds himself now - he is.

I hope you ex has no lasting damage and I hope he wakes up wanting to find real lasting recovery - but he may not.

I also hope you see and accept what a soul destroying ordeal this has been for you, and you make any future plans with that in mind.

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I have heard of Al-Anon, I may try to look this group up?! What is it like??

I have heard the 3 C’s before... I guess I know deep down I didn’t force it... in fact I have even done the opposite, I can’t tell you how many times I have taken his beer and dumped it down the drain or taken away his car keys so he can’t go buy more, but all this did was start vicious fighting. So I stopped trying to do that stuff too.

I really really don’t want him coming home if he won’t quit drinking. I really don’t. I have zero desire to watch it one more time.
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Unreal cat, no wonder you've had enough. You have every right to regain sanity in your life as your SO has dragged you down into his madness. The fact that you want to separate shows you have enough self-esteem to save yourself.

I suggest you take this time while he's in hospital to make arrangements for separation. You don't need anyone's permission.

It might be worth reading the current thread: https://www.soberrecovery.com/forums...-question.html (Backstory and quick question) from start to finish - it covers several years - to see how this could play out for you.

Al-anon is for the family and friends of alcoholics and has it's own program. Many people on this forum have found it very helpful.
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Old 03-11-2020, 09:39 PM
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Hi unrealcat, glad you found us but, of course, sorry for what brings you here.

The 3 c's are important because it's important that you believe them. Yes, they make sense when you hear them and it's logical, but it's also the truth.

What more can you do if you think about it. Unless you duct tape him to a chair (I don't recommend this!), you cannot make him stop drinking, unless he wants to.

Regardless of whether he is able to stop or not, that's not really your concern here. You said you aren't sure whether you want to continue on this rollercoaster.

I would take the time away from him to think about this, to attend some Al-Anon meetings, which is a support group for friends and family of Alcoholics. They are not there to help you "fix" the alcoholic, it is a support group for people going through the same things you have/are.

Boundaries are so important. If you do not wish to live with an alcoholic, that is totally up to you, no one else. Only you know what you have been through.

Again, take time to think about taking a break, at least, let the FOG (fear, obligation, guilt) clear.

Also, fewer trips to the hospital perhaps (take care of yourself!). Being in a hospital when you have the flu is a really bad idea for you and everyone else. Take it easy when you can, eat well, sleep when you can. Deep breathing exercises, some relaxation music from youtube, whatever makes you calmer and more content.

There are a bunch of excellent threads stickied at the top of this forum you might find helpful/interesting:

https://www.soberrecovery.com/forums...c-reading.html (Classic Reading)

This stickie in particular might be of interest to you:

https://www.soberrecovery.com/forums...-recovery.html (Letting go of those not in recovery)
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I agree about separation if you no longer want to live this way. You cannot control what another adult chooses to do, but you don’t have to live with addiction. It is Soul-destroying.

Take care of you because he certainly won’t.
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You poor thing. I am so sorry you are going through this. I am really glad you are here, this is a place of wonderful support.

He is a grown man. He has known the risks and the possible outcomes. I think you have now been shown what a life with this man would look like in the future. Only you can decide what you will or will not put up with. You are not responsible for another grown adult.

As someone posted above, the three C's really do apply. I hope you also seek Alanon or Celebrate Recovery so you have face to face support as well.

Big hugs. You are not alone.
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Thank you all for being here, what a tremendous group you are. I am sorry if I’m not responding quickly or enough, but my life has just done a complete 360 and I’m trying to hold on still and keep my head above these waves!!

I did not go to hospital today. I called this morning and got an update that it was a pretty rough night and looking like a rough day ahead with withdrawals. I guess he was being mean - yelling, kicking, etc. I apologized on his behalf and told them I’d be there shortly. She asked I not come. She said honestly, he won’t know you are even here and if he does it will only be for a minute. She said he was talking to people who weren’t there and he insisted they were and became nasty over the fact she couldn’t see them.

She said we are on high alert with this new virus and are trying to limit visits unless absolutely necessary. So I stayed home. I felt bad about this all day, and now that it’s evening and I’m definitely not going to be going, I feel even worse about it.

What’s making it hard though, is no one else is going. His family isn’t even going. They call me and want me to go. When I told them they asked me to not go, they almost seemed upset I listened to them. Why do I have to to be the only one? I’m not married to him, we don’t have kids with each other. I’m getting a bit of a guilt trip about it and I want to know why they can’t go.

To be honest though, I do feel bad about not going. But like I said, I’m still sick myself - I am 10x better, but I’m still very weak and just very tired. Very very. They don’t understand what I was going through the last 3 days before finally getting him there. I called and asked for help, but they just said they didn’t know what to do and I guess slept well that night - but, I never did. I had 102 fever and was up half the night trying to keep him in the house bc he was delusional and thought people were here taking cars away.

I sound like a big cry baby I know. I’m not trying to, I just don’t know why it’s suddenly all my responsibility.
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Oh and to top it off, I asked his family today (all of them) if anyone would take a dog of his home - It would be a huge help to not have the dog here. I’m busy enough without having him here too. It’s a busy hyper dog and requires a lot!!

No one will take the dog. They all said Sorry we can’t.
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Unrealcat, I think you need to take care of yourself. Maybe even go see your doctor. This doesn't all have to fall on you. You don't have to take care of him and you shouldn't feel guilty, either. You have absolutely nothing to feel guilty about. He is a grown man and not your responsibility.

Take care of your own health. It sounds like you are absolutely exhausted. Please consider seeing your doctor, too. (((HUGS)))
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To be honest though, I do feel bad about not going.
Really look at that. There is a virus going around, they specifically said you shouldn't bother to come in, that they are limiting visiting and he wouldn't even know who you are.

But you are still feeling bad about that?

Does that really make sense to you? I'm just pointing out that you may be so deep in the FOG (fear, obligation, guilt) that you don't even realize it anymore.

That's why it's so important to take care of yourself. You are busy and sick and you are trying to dash to the hospital? He has a team of professionals looking after him.

So I think it's important, perhaps, to identify where that guilt is coming from and is it valid or false guilt?

There is a book that is very often recommended here, Codependent no More by Melody Beattie. I'm not saying you are codependent but there is great information in there about relationships and boundaries and you might find it really helpful (and liberating!)

Please take good care of yourself.
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UnrealCat…..you have gone above and beyond what most people would or could do. In his present condition, he is where he needs to be....where the professionals can take care of him...this is way over your head, at this point....and, none of this is your fault.
His family doesn't comprehend what you have been through, as they are not the one who are living with it....

It is imperative that you take care of your own health....as you are getting so worn down. Please make this a priority for yourself.....
I suggest that you consider telling the hospital staff that you do not want him to return to your house upon discharge....otherwise, they may discharge him home after he "comes out of the woods"....it would be good if he is discharged to an alcohol rehabilitation facility.....and, even then, he should not come to your house, afterwards, I believe.....he would be better off in a halfway sober living facility at that time...
And, this would allow you to sort your own self out and allow yourself to recover from the trauma that you have been going through.....
Your first responsibility is to take care of yourself....he will not be able to.....
This is no way for you to be living...sacrificing your own self for someone else's alcoholism.....
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Hi Unreal, I am so very glad you found us and hope you find support here.

What you are going through is excruciating. Most of us have been through some version of it. It takes awhile to grasp that you can do absolutely nothing to make the situation better for your beloved alcoholic BF. He may well get out of the hospital and continue to drink. This is his choice as a person with free will.

Although you can't change him, you have every right to choose not to let his alcoholism impact your life. Choosing to take care of yourself rather than go to the hospital is an absolutely reasonable decision . . . . actually more than reasonable, it is healthy. Most of us felt guilty if we didn't focus on the alcoholic, however this focus changes nothing. Focusing on our own needs will indeed change lots.

Go ahead and listen to the guilt then just let it go and do what is best for you. That guilt will sure-as-shooting come back and you can just listen and move on yet again. This feeling is not a guide to how you should act but a sign that you need to get yourself to an Alanon meeting, develop some boundaries and do some reading around this forum.

Please let us know how you get on.
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Hello Everyone

i am sure glad I found you. It hits so hard reading that you support me, and I don’t know why. I think bc I’m not used to it. I’m used to hearing opposite things. I can’t say he’s ever blamed me, but he has made reference in the past I have made his drinking worse, due to our stressful lifestyle. That was his choice. He knew the lifestyle I lead when we met. Granted it’s gotten busier since meeting, but not that bad.

I have myself in knots over this, but I was able to relax a bit today. This entire virus scare on top of everything else isn’t helping me any, I’m a nervous person to begin with.

I spoke with the doctor when they called. She was very blunt. She said, “some people don’t survive this withdrawal process”... I was like whoa... major reality check. I cried many tears over that, but I’m sitting here asking myself do I want to hear this ever again? No. I do not.

Do people ever come out of this stage and truly quit? Since I have known him he’s never gotten to this stage, so I have nothing to use as reference. He’s not been an alcoholic his entire life, only the last 7 years - he started this road to destruction when his marriage fell apart. His friends tell me what a fantastic man he was, and yes I get that.... he is... but the alcoholic in him is not a great person, at all.



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Yes, some do finally come to the realization that enough is enough. If you read around the newcomers to recovery forum you will read many stories like that, many times when they have ended up in the hospital and been told they are lucky to be here.

Some continue to drink, you will also read experiences here of husbands and wives that continue regardless.

Quitting is an inside job, just like any addiction, whether that is heroin or alcohol. The person has to be really committed to seeing it through. It's a long road, your SO is at the very beginning of that road with detox. There has to be a commitment to sobriety followed by treatment. Whether that is with an addictions specialist, AA, rehab, a sober living facility or all of those things - that is something he needs to figure out.

None of that will happen unless he has decided to quit and from what you have written I haven't seen any indication that he has said that is what he wants to do? Perhaps put that on the back burner right now.

The most important thing is to look after yourself, truly. You will find when you focus on yourself, what you want, doing things you enjoy, figuring out what your boundaries are, you will feel much less anxious.
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he has made reference in the past I have made his drinking worse, due to our stressful lifestyle. That was his choice. He knew the lifestyle I lead when we met. Granted it’s gotten busier since meeting, but not that bad.
Alcoholics will give every reason under the sun for drinking except the real one: They drink because they are alcoholics.

They have a problem. This is why they drink; this is what they do. It is why everyone who speaks at an AA meeting starts with, "I'm [name]. I'm an alcoholic". It is a way to combat the lies that they tell themselves and others.


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Do people ever come out of this stage and truly quit? Since I have known him he’s never gotten to this stage, so I have nothing to use as reference. He’s not been an alcoholic his entire life, only the last 7 years - he started this road to destruction when his marriage fell apart. His friends tell me what a fantastic man he was, and yes I get that.... he is... but the alcoholic in him is not a great person, at all.

Some people do recover but it is rare. Even alcoholics not in as bad of shape as your BF can get sober and then relapse 5, 10, 20 years later. It is truly horrific.

I so so wish I could give you more hope Unreal. I know it is often hard for people when they first come here. We all try, to a certain extent, to soften what we say but the reality of alcoholism is not pretty.

To make it worse, the alcoholic and their addiction can ruin the lives of everyone around them. The good news that we push here is it is possible to detach your life from this natural disaster.

That you realize you don't want to be part of his self destruction is huge. Choosing to not go to the hospital is fabulous. Acting this way is very counterintuitive to what most of us want to do in the face of a suffering loved one and it is absolutely the right thing to do.

I am so very sorry that your BF may not survive. I'm also sorry that even if he does survive, he will probably continue to drink.

Keep getting through the days the best you can and taking care of yourself. Check in with us any time you need. There is usually someone around.
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UnrealCat…...to answer a couple of your questions----
1. In my experience, a few do come out of this severe condition and get into recovery....but, statistically, not very many. Of those who do...I have never seen one do it without an intense recovery program and AA....that they cling to intensely, and, for the rest of their lives....

2. A basic fact--alcoholism is a PROGRESSIVE disease...meaning that it gets worse and worse, over time. I challenge your belief that he became an alcoholic in the past seven years....He probably has just became WORSE over the recent years as he drank to solve his issues and the disease progressed to this stage....He would have begun the alcoholic process when he ever started drinking in his younger life.....many actually start in their teens or early adulthood.....

Being with an alcoholic...be it a partner of family member or close friend...Nobody gets by without taking a hit...alcoholism will destroy the lives of those who live with or love an alcoholic...just like it can and will destroy the alcoholic....
Eventually, every loved one is faced with the decision to save themselves from the destruction from the alcoholic...just l ike the alcoholic will have to decide to save themselves from the alcohol...…

UnrealCat….allowing yourself to become ill and be emotionally ravaged will not do one thing to "save" your partner.....

Often, the only choice for the loved one is to love from a Distance.....

For you, I suggest the following....
1/ Get and read "Co-dependent No More"....the most frequently recommended book, on this forum. It is an easy read and you will probably finding it resounding with you on every page...lol....
2. Stay around and read the thousands of real life stories, here on this forum....
(You can click on the persons name, to the left of their thread)….a drop down menu will appear...and you can click on "past threads" and read their entire story, from years back!
3. We have a library of over one hundred articles on alcoholism and the effects on the loved ones, right here on the forum...It is contained in the "stickies" at the top of the main page...above the threads. Enough to rad one every single day for months......Read them.
4. Attend alanon….it will bring you healing human support...and, help you to do your own self examination.....this is so important..so as to not repeat this same pattern with another alcoholic or toxic partner, down the line. If we don't learn different,,,,we humans tend to repeat the same patterns in our lives,,,,over and over and over, again...….

I sooo hope that you will not just stop coming here.....because if you do, you will be short changing yourself from the help and support that you have available to you.....for free,,,LOL…..

***I think that the reason that you felt uncomfortable having us support you...is probably because you have so much of your self esteem and identity tied up in being a "Good" person.....so much so, that you have actually neglected your own life and your own needs....
This is so common among those who lean towards co0dependency.....****
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UnrealCat…...the following link is to our library,,,,you can also find it in the "stickies"...…
Please read them...one every day.....

https://www.soberrecovery.com/forums...c-reading.html (Classic Reading)
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