Grammar issues
Three years for me too. I thought I didn't like it at the time but I've probably thought more about the things I learned in Latin than any other class. Our teacher was rather terrifying so perhaps that's why I paid more attention. It was useful for learning Spanish because I felt like I already knew the basics. Oh, and reading about Boudicca was a highlight.
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Might help to know this, as an English teacher (if you didn't already)
Languages evolve, here is the Lords prayer from 11th century to now(ish)
Old English
Matthew 6.9 (WSCp, 11th c.)
Fęder ure žu že eart on heofonum; Si žin nama gehalgod to becume žin rice gewurže šin willa on eoršan swa swa on heofonum. urne gedęghwamlican hlaf syle us todęg and forgyf us ure gyltas swa swa we forgyfaš urum gyltendum and ne gelęd žu us on costnunge ac alys us of yfele sožlice.
Lord's Prayer I (Exeter Book,10th c.)
[....]g fęder, žu že on heofonum eardast,
geweoršad wuldres dreame. Sy žinum weorcum halgad
noma nižža bearnum; žu eart nergend wera.
Cyme žin rice wide, ond žin rędfęst willa
aręred under rodores hrofe, eac žon on rumre foldan.
Syle us to dęge domfęstne blęd,
hlaf userne, helpend wera,
8 žone singalan, sošfęst meotod.
Ne lęt usic costunga cnyssan to swiše,
ac žu us freodom gief, folca waldend,
from yfla gewham, a to widan feore.
Matthew 6.9 (Wycliffe's translation, c. 1380)
Oure fadir that art in heuenes, halewid be thi name; thi kyndoom come to; be thi wille don in erthe as in heuene: gyue to us this dai oure breed ouer othir substaunce; and forgyue to us oure dettis, as we forgyuen to oure gettouris; and lede us not in to temptacioun, but delyuere us fro yuel.
Early Modern English
Book of Common Prayer (1559)
Our Father which art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive them that trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation. But deliver us from evil. Amen.
Languages evolve, here is the Lords prayer from 11th century to now(ish)
Old English
Matthew 6.9 (WSCp, 11th c.)
Fęder ure žu že eart on heofonum; Si žin nama gehalgod to becume žin rice gewurže šin willa on eoršan swa swa on heofonum. urne gedęghwamlican hlaf syle us todęg and forgyf us ure gyltas swa swa we forgyfaš urum gyltendum and ne gelęd žu us on costnunge ac alys us of yfele sožlice.
Lord's Prayer I (Exeter Book,10th c.)
[....]g fęder, žu že on heofonum eardast,
geweoršad wuldres dreame. Sy žinum weorcum halgad
noma nižža bearnum; žu eart nergend wera.
Cyme žin rice wide, ond žin rędfęst willa
aręred under rodores hrofe, eac žon on rumre foldan.
Syle us to dęge domfęstne blęd,
hlaf userne, helpend wera,
8 žone singalan, sošfęst meotod.
Ne lęt usic costunga cnyssan to swiše,
ac žu us freodom gief, folca waldend,
from yfla gewham, a to widan feore.
Matthew 6.9 (Wycliffe's translation, c. 1380)
Oure fadir that art in heuenes, halewid be thi name; thi kyndoom come to; be thi wille don in erthe as in heuene: gyue to us this dai oure breed ouer othir substaunce; and forgyue to us oure dettis, as we forgyuen to oure gettouris; and lede us not in to temptacioun, but delyuere us fro yuel.
Early Modern English
Book of Common Prayer (1559)
Our Father which art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive them that trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation. But deliver us from evil. Amen.
Hi, All ~
While looking for a different email saved from my home email AA group, I came across:
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Sue wrote:
> It took me a long time to realize that being able to spell is a non-issue
> when it comes to intelligence, insightfulness, kindness, wisdom, and humor.
Mike T. replied:
Everyone knows I'm a stickler for good spelling. So, when an associate
e-mailed technical documents asking me to "decifer" them, I had to set
him straight.
I wrote, "Decipher is spelled with a ph, not an f. In case you've
forgotten, spell checker comes free with your software."
A minute later, I got this reply, "Mine must be dephective."
Have a great sober day, All!
Pamela
While looking for a different email saved from my home email AA group, I came across:
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Sue wrote:
> It took me a long time to realize that being able to spell is a non-issue
> when it comes to intelligence, insightfulness, kindness, wisdom, and humor.
Mike T. replied:
Everyone knows I'm a stickler for good spelling. So, when an associate
e-mailed technical documents asking me to "decifer" them, I had to set
him straight.
I wrote, "Decipher is spelled with a ph, not an f. In case you've
forgotten, spell checker comes free with your software."
A minute later, I got this reply, "Mine must be dephective."
Have a great sober day, All!
Pamela
Sorry to disagree, but if it's used in the context of "platonic love" it's not capitalized. It's only capitalized if it's "of or relating to Plato or Platonism" (according to the dictionary, anyway. I had to look that up because I never capitalize "platonic")
Oohhh, we are so bad. Nothing like grammar police beating up on their own kind!
Hawks: LOVE the Lord's Prayer across the years! Thanks! Took me back to my linguistics classes--you can see in your post the huge impact of the Norman Conquest in 1066. Prior to that, English was a Germanic language. But then you see how the Norman languages start to infiltrate in the 12th century as the French made their cultural mark. So cool!!!
Oohhh, we are so bad. Nothing like grammar police beating up on their own kind!
Hawks: LOVE the Lord's Prayer across the years! Thanks! Took me back to my linguistics classes--you can see in your post the huge impact of the Norman Conquest in 1066. Prior to that, English was a Germanic language. But then you see how the Norman languages start to infiltrate in the 12th century as the French made their cultural mark. So cool!!!
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