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Hopefully they don't intend to act this way, it's just a byproduct of their own codependency. Maybe one day they will wake up and see the damage they are causing to SD (and you for trying to protect her), but probably not. They are trying to make sense like everyone else is, but they are definitely doing it inappropriately. They probably don't realize that they are losing SD too.
She will make her own decision when she is old enough, and I think it's pretty clear right now what decision she will make. She should never have to feel that she is responsible for something like this at her age (at ANY age), especially when she is not even capable of understanding the depth of the situation. If they lose her, that is their fault-they have to be held responsible even if they ARE codependent and that is the sole reason that they act the way they do.
I think you are doing the right thing, and I think she will appreciate it when she gets older.
She will make her own decision when she is old enough, and I think it's pretty clear right now what decision she will make. She should never have to feel that she is responsible for something like this at her age (at ANY age), especially when she is not even capable of understanding the depth of the situation. If they lose her, that is their fault-they have to be held responsible even if they ARE codependent and that is the sole reason that they act the way they do.
I think you are doing the right thing, and I think she will appreciate it when she gets older.
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I don't think they intend to hurt SD, but they do this again & again. They did it to us, for years by putting mum before their own son. It was crazy, sick & absolutely destroying & drove him to a breakdown & put me in counselling! She has always had some kind of hold over them, & we kind of understood it when SD was living with her mother (she would use emotional blackmail to get money out of them) so there has always been codependence. But, when SD left her mother
3 years ago we thought things may change, but they didn't & now not only are they continuing to hurt us, they're hurting their granddaughter too.
We cannot have any more to do with them because to do so would be dangerous. It's a shame, it really is, but we have no choice because they really won't ever change.
3 years ago we thought things may change, but they didn't & now not only are they continuing to hurt us, they're hurting their granddaughter too.
We cannot have any more to do with them because to do so would be dangerous. It's a shame, it really is, but we have no choice because they really won't ever change.
To what end? To make her see the light? Why would this work when nothing else has? Confronting mum with this seems likely only to fuel the drama surrounding this more, and your SD has had enough.
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I was just thinking that if she knew she could perhaps reiterate to SD that if she did start drinking again it wouldn't be her fault. I guess I wondered if it might make her feel sorry for SD too, for having such a tough time from her grandparents. But, it's probably a bad idea. I think that because what was said to her is so so awful we're still reeling from it
I was just thinking that if she knew she could perhaps reiterate to SD that if she did start drinking again it wouldn't be her fault. I guess I wondered if it might make her feel sorry for SD too, for having such a tough time from her grandparents. But, it's probably a bad idea. I think that because what was said to her is so so awful we're still reeling from it
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She won't be aware of what they said, but you're right, she should know how negatively she's impacted on SD's life. Since she left rehab, she hasn't once accepted any blame. In fact, all she has done is tell SD she's seeing my in-laws, despite being aware that SD wanted them to stop their involvement with her, effectively rubbing salt into the wounds. Goodness, they're all really rather horrible aren't they!
I was just thinking that if she knew she could perhaps reiterate to SD that if she did start drinking again it wouldn't be her fault. I guess I wondered if it might make her feel sorry for SD too, for having such a tough time from her grandparents. But, it's probably a bad idea. I think that because what was said to her is so so awful we're still reeling from it
I don't think that the mother of your stepdaughter is in anyway going to be able to support her daughter right now. IMHO, if you tell her what your in-laws said to her daughter, she would probably feel it was a victory of sorts for her. This is just my 2 cents.
I think distance and silence and carrying on with your own lives in the most peaceful and joyous way possible is for the best in the long run.
Sending hugs!
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Thanks Seren, I think you're right. They (the in-laws & AM) have this "bond" that, in most ways, is not normal, so she probably would see it as a victory of sorts. It has occurred to us that perhaps the reason she insisted on telling SD she was seeing her grandparents despite knowing how SD felt about it, was some sort of sick ploy to drive a wedge between them & us so she can have them all to herself. She's always been able to twist them around her little finger to extort money from them etc., so she needs to keep them on side. It wouldn't surprise me if she'd said to them that if she started drinking again it would be SD's fault!
It's quite possible that she has implied that to them if not out-and-out said so. Sorry she feels that way, sorry they feel that way....they are missing out on spending time with a wonderful young lady. Their actions, their consequences.
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And our choice not to have any more to do with them, any of them. They can continue to exist in their twisted little bubble and we will continue to exist outside of that. We don't need them - they do more harm than good.
I think it's the best decision you can make for SD, Nik. I'm one that gives no leeway for age or blood-relation when it comes to toxic people in my life & especially in DD10's life.
In fact, I have been having very big issues with my 90-yo Gram (my mom's mom) over the last 6 months as it relates to abuse of my mother that I have only just found out about. It's a very long story, but the relevant part is that I told my mother in no uncertain terms that I may very well never see or speak to Gram alive again at this point & I'm ok with that. She is a very sharp, together woman who has amazing health for her age but her toxicity to those around her & the way she is choosing to handle this family crisis is something I won't make excuses for nor will I look the other way while she feigns memory loss or blameshifts. She is avoiding me knowing that I will call her out but trying to manipulate my mom into setting up for her to be able to visit with DD - no way, uh-uh, ain't gonna happen on my watch.
Toxic is toxic & there is no room in my life for that...... since I'd rather save for DD's college vs. therapy fund - there is no room for them in her life as long as I have a say-so.
In fact, I have been having very big issues with my 90-yo Gram (my mom's mom) over the last 6 months as it relates to abuse of my mother that I have only just found out about. It's a very long story, but the relevant part is that I told my mother in no uncertain terms that I may very well never see or speak to Gram alive again at this point & I'm ok with that. She is a very sharp, together woman who has amazing health for her age but her toxicity to those around her & the way she is choosing to handle this family crisis is something I won't make excuses for nor will I look the other way while she feigns memory loss or blameshifts. She is avoiding me knowing that I will call her out but trying to manipulate my mom into setting up for her to be able to visit with DD - no way, uh-uh, ain't gonna happen on my watch.
Toxic is toxic & there is no room in my life for that...... since I'd rather save for DD's college vs. therapy fund - there is no room for them in her life as long as I have a say-so.
You have made the wisest choice. The grandparents misguided loyalty is baffling!
Or maybe not so baffling: it's possible the mom is extremely active in influencing them. And that their views of you, your SD, and husband are provided to them by the alcoholic mom.
She may build up their hopes that she is recovering, convincing them that she is the only "true" mother, that blood is thicker than water and she must be in their lives. (and close to their wallets). Or she is working the pity angle and convincing them that her severe problems drive her to drink and she needs their support. And money too. She might be creating the image of herself as a the victim in their eyes, and once again, make them more malleable to supporting her economically.
Of course the mom is going to do everything in her power to stay close to an easy source of money. The mom could easily be the source of the remark that it is the SD who made her drink. Totally predictable, totally typical and not surprising behavior at all for someone in advanced, untreated addiction.
Or maybe not so baffling: it's possible the mom is extremely active in influencing them. And that their views of you, your SD, and husband are provided to them by the alcoholic mom.
She may build up their hopes that she is recovering, convincing them that she is the only "true" mother, that blood is thicker than water and she must be in their lives. (and close to their wallets). Or she is working the pity angle and convincing them that her severe problems drive her to drink and she needs their support. And money too. She might be creating the image of herself as a the victim in their eyes, and once again, make them more malleable to supporting her economically.
Of course the mom is going to do everything in her power to stay close to an easy source of money. The mom could easily be the source of the remark that it is the SD who made her drink. Totally predictable, totally typical and not surprising behavior at all for someone in advanced, untreated addiction.
The misplaced loyalty thing, man -- I'm sorry you and SD are dealing with this. My mom, for whatever reason, has never trusted me and has always been suspicious of me regardless of my behavior. This constant criticism and suspicion led me down some dark roads in my teenage years and early adulthood. She sided with my rapist, and down the road, with my DS14's dad, who was abusive to me for many years and had me in treatment for PTSD, and she maintains a relationship with him and his family to this day despite knowing her meddling has caused hundreds of problems for me and DS14. She is also obsessed with my STBXAH and is always trying to discern how he "really" is because she doesn't trust me and my thoughts on it. She knows no boundaries and throws fits if you tell her no. My mom is a classic co-dependent who I suspect also has some narcissistic tendencies -- regardless, it defines how I understand and deal with her.
However, I'm an adult and I get to choose whether I have a relationship with her today and how deep it is. But nobody was there to shield me from her constant gaslighting and unfounded mistrust as a child, and it had profound negative effects on me.
You are right to limit her contact with the in-laws. They have the right to have a relationship with their ex-DIL if they absolutely have to have one (ugh), but fortunately you have the right to limit their contact with their granddaughter. The way you talk about it -- are they contacting her through texting and social media? You can block them now through her Facebook accounts and parental settings through your wireless company, and insist that their contact with her (if any) go through you BECAUSE of their outrageous behavior. She is a minor child and they're trying to catch her in their web of codependency and denial.
However, I'm an adult and I get to choose whether I have a relationship with her today and how deep it is. But nobody was there to shield me from her constant gaslighting and unfounded mistrust as a child, and it had profound negative effects on me.
You are right to limit her contact with the in-laws. They have the right to have a relationship with their ex-DIL if they absolutely have to have one (ugh), but fortunately you have the right to limit their contact with their granddaughter. The way you talk about it -- are they contacting her through texting and social media? You can block them now through her Facebook accounts and parental settings through your wireless company, and insist that their contact with her (if any) go through you BECAUSE of their outrageous behavior. She is a minor child and they're trying to catch her in their web of codependency and denial.
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You have made the wisest choice. The grandparents misguided loyalty is baffling!
Or maybe not so baffling: it's possible the mom is extremely active in influencing them. And that their views of you, your SD, and husband are provided to them by the alcoholic mom.
She may build up their hopes that she is recovering, convincing them that she is the only "true" mother, that blood is thicker than water and she must be in their lives. (and close to their wallets). Or she is working the pity angle and convincing them that her severe problems drive her to drink and she needs their support. And money too. She might be creating the image of herself as a the victim in their eyes, and once again, make them more malleable to supporting her economically.
Of course the mom is going to do everything in her power to stay close to an easy source of money. The mom could easily be the source of the remark that it is the SD who made her drink. Totally predictable, totally typical and not surprising behavior at all for someone in advanced, untreated addiction.
Or maybe not so baffling: it's possible the mom is extremely active in influencing them. And that their views of you, your SD, and husband are provided to them by the alcoholic mom.
She may build up their hopes that she is recovering, convincing them that she is the only "true" mother, that blood is thicker than water and she must be in their lives. (and close to their wallets). Or she is working the pity angle and convincing them that her severe problems drive her to drink and she needs their support. And money too. She might be creating the image of herself as a the victim in their eyes, and once again, make them more malleable to supporting her economically.
Of course the mom is going to do everything in her power to stay close to an easy source of money. The mom could easily be the source of the remark that it is the SD who made her drink. Totally predictable, totally typical and not surprising behavior at all for someone in advanced, untreated addiction.
Theirs is a very toxic relationship, it must be because they were all coercing together to protect her neglect and mistreatment of SD. We also think that one of the reasons why my MIL wouldn't help get SD out of there was because whilst SD was with her mum, within the same town, she could have control over her. She is a very domineering woman and likes to control people. She knew that if SD left to live with us she would lose that control, and maybe that was too much for her to bear.
It does give me some comfort to learn that we are not the only ones to have experienced this totally baffling misguided loyalty, and I am so sorry for anyone else that has had to endure this, because it's not nice, at all ....
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