Hammer

hahahahha, ahhhhh.

Great. Love it.

Insurance.

THAT is how we know it can be treated in 28 days + 8 to 12 follow-on treatment sessions.

Renarde

This is a question that really interests me. As a functional alcoholic, I never disrupted anyone else's life. I started to get regular liver pain and hangovers and my intake was increasing. I felt I was just starting to be a half-assed person in general. It was hard to keep up with my responsibilities - I was just so tired. This was enough for me to stop. I knew I had so much to lose. I also had the benefit of seeing where the road of alcoholism takes you via family members that walked it before me over the last few generations. There are other people destroying everything and everyone around them - I don't know why that is. Maybe my pain wasn't as bad as someone else's...? Maybe I have a tiny bit more self-awareness? I tried to moderate and quit several times - maybe I just wasn't ready and I am now? I don't know. It baffles me.

Renarde

Some is the key. I know for myself, it was my liver pain that FINALLY removed my veil of denial.

Upsetnneedhelp

Some alcoholics continue to drink even while in prison. They make it from fruits and suger. It is then sold on the black market there. I know someone with 8 dui's and they still drive. Some alcoholics bottom is death. There is nothing else that will stop their drive for the evil spirits aka. booze.

Florence

Not aiming this at anyone in particular, but...

The "disease" concept -- there's a lot there, actually. It's not really up for debate when you're looking at the latest research. There is much evidence that people who are prone to addiction lack the "brakes" that normies do. Whether that be physiological or emotional, whatever. It's what's happening. I know I don't have to convince anyone, but it always annoys me when people paint it as a corporate conspiracy or as a moral battle of self. Have you ever looked at someone who stood to lose everything in their lives that meant anything and they still couldn't stop using?

The way the insurance companies treat addiction -- it's criminal. There's no social infrastructure, so you're either rich enough to afford rehab after rehab, or you're liable to end up in jail, or in some other dubious situation on the street or behind the wheel. A teeny percentage end up in AA sober for life. Really, those people are miraculous -- so much respect for the old timers. It's just criminal the way we hang people out to dry -- addicts and their families both, especially the children.

caboblanco

Obesity is now also an "official" disease. hmm i wonder if that was for scientific reasons or for reasons of better care for obese patients


Obesity as a disease: What does it mean for Americans? | Fox News

Florence

There is solid research showing that there are environmental elements that are making every mammal on the planet statistically fatter, including *wild* animals. Could be the estrogen, could be the plastics, or any other disaster in the groundwater.

But hey, could be a conspiracy too, I guess. Or the decline of Western civilization. Or the End Days.

I don't want to derail the thread, so I won't argue this further. But the research is out there for interested parties and it's extremely helpful to understanding why our addicted loved ones behave the way they do. Contrary to providing excuses, it provides deeper understanding and compassion while we exercise loving and reasonable boundaries.

lillamy

I can't find the link I'd really like because I have it on my other computer, but here are two who talk a little bit about the changes in brain structure and function that can be seen in addicts.

Whether you want to call that a disease or not I guess is up to you.

http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums/...ir-brains.html

http://http://www.soberrecovery.com/...g-reading.html

jacrazz

It is a disease like obesity is a disease....it's a disease of choice.

Jd77

Does anyone else have a partner that says, "it's because of my disease that I..."

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