Me again: let's talk about paranoia
He eventually admitted that he felt that the Paxil increased his desire to drink. So, after he admits this he continued to stay on the Paxil and eventually went back to drinking. I know, I know.....why am I staying with him? UGH!
Liz, I respectfully remind you that you already KNOW why you are still staying with him.
You have talked about as much in your previous postings many times.
It might be helpful for you to type those reasons out again as a way of clarifying your thoughts on this subject, right now.
Awareness--acceptance ---action
dandylion
You have talked about as much in your previous postings many times.
It might be helpful for you to type those reasons out again as a way of clarifying your thoughts on this subject, right now.
Awareness--acceptance ---action
dandylion
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"Yes, and this was the reason why I called his psychiatrist last fall to 'tell on him' and ask if his behavior was normal. He saw it as me trying to control him and decided to retaliate and drink even more even after the psych. " (Lizatola)
XA did the exact same thing when he felt I was a threat to "His control". I was the recipient of " I'll show you !!!"
But I also now realize I was wasting my time and energy, ( and giving myself a huge migraine) in trying to "help" him sort out his troubled life.
What an effed up mess this disease truly is.
Hugs to you Liz.
XA did the exact same thing when he felt I was a threat to "His control". I was the recipient of " I'll show you !!!"
But I also now realize I was wasting my time and energy, ( and giving myself a huge migraine) in trying to "help" him sort out his troubled life.
What an effed up mess this disease truly is.
Hugs to you Liz.
In my heart, though, I still feel stuck and I know it's fear and the fact that I committed to this marriage and still feel a draw to try everything to MAYBE fix it.
This. It's one-sided. YOU can't fix it. Just like YOU didn't cause it. You're going to continue to go crazy and make excuses because YOU want to fix it. Doesn't work like that. Never has, never will. Please, get yourself and YOUR CHILD to a safe, healthy place. As an ACoA, I can't stress enough the responsibility as a parent to get your child the hell out of there. Your AH isn't anywhere close to admitting a problem and seriously trying to get right. Protect your son while you still have the chance.
On another note: The drinking and crazy talking from your AH have news headlines of murder-suicide flashing through my head, only because I've been too close to comfort to one of those lately. Get out. Please.
This. It's one-sided. YOU can't fix it. Just like YOU didn't cause it. You're going to continue to go crazy and make excuses because YOU want to fix it. Doesn't work like that. Never has, never will. Please, get yourself and YOUR CHILD to a safe, healthy place. As an ACoA, I can't stress enough the responsibility as a parent to get your child the hell out of there. Your AH isn't anywhere close to admitting a problem and seriously trying to get right. Protect your son while you still have the chance.
On another note: The drinking and crazy talking from your AH have news headlines of murder-suicide flashing through my head, only because I've been too close to comfort to one of those lately. Get out. Please.
I honestly don't know why she's interested in attempting to salvage a relationship that has been so clearly dysfunctional and damaging to her psyche.
Yes, I live my life saying what if??? And, then I berate myself for my shortcomings in the marriage. Lots of ifs and should haves, could haves, etc. Those things aren't going to get me anywhere anymore so I need to accept the fact that now that I want to change myself and he doesn't want to change himself, then we have nowhere to go TOGETHER.
I've been sober a long time. A wonderful member of my group is a priest who has shared he prayed to stop drinking -- it worked AFTER he took action by getting help. The same applies to codependents: unless you do something nothing will change in your life.
Liz, I am recognizing many of the behaviours which you are describing. None of the ones I saw, however, were in any way connected with alcohol. That doesn't mean that alcohol isn't playing a role in your situation. It obviously is amplifying the problem. But I would suggest that as a useful exercise you temporarily de-couple the two issues of alcohol abuse and mental illness.
A book I found helpful many years ago was "When Madness Comes Home: Help and Hope for the Children, Siblings, and Partners of the Mentally Ill" by Victoria Secunda. I found it contained many stories with which I could identify. At the time, I was more focused on being a child and sibling of someone with mental illness, but there are large sections dealing with partners and wives, too.
Perhaps you might gain a slightly different perspective which may be helpful.
A book I found helpful many years ago was "When Madness Comes Home: Help and Hope for the Children, Siblings, and Partners of the Mentally Ill" by Victoria Secunda. I found it contained many stories with which I could identify. At the time, I was more focused on being a child and sibling of someone with mental illness, but there are large sections dealing with partners and wives, too.
Perhaps you might gain a slightly different perspective which may be helpful.
Paxil suicide risks affect adults, report says. - Aug. 22, 2005
This is so hard to read. But my addiction is a feisty one as well. It's taken YEARS of BS for me to detach, keep my head down and work to get out. No entanglements.
You'll sort it out on your own, but if you want a hint about your situation, I can say he's an egomaniac, abusive, crapsack.
This is so hard to read. But my addiction is a feisty one as well. It's taken YEARS of BS for me to detach, keep my head down and work to get out. No entanglements.
You'll sort it out on your own, but if you want a hint about your situation, I can say he's an egomaniac, abusive, crapsack.
Liz....aren't you tired now? its the merry ago round....its the same thing all the time...
maybe its time for you to go on a holiday ALONE and think things through...just a thought
I am watching him spin his wheels in the mud right now. He's not used to me like this. I used to go to him and make him talk and let him verbal vomit all over me and then I'd feel sorry for him and have sex with him and make things all right. I used to listen to him rant and rave about crap, now I leave the room. I used to always say YES, and now I know I can say NO. I'm growing and he doesn't like it. And, that's OK, too.
There came a point in my marriage when I realized that although we started out with the same goals, dreams, values, and plans, somewhere along the way, we ended up going in different directions. At the same time, I realized that, drinking or not, he just didn't want the same things in life I wanted. Not only that, he wasn't interested in changing or conforming to my ideals.
While it certainly wasn't easy, I had to face the reality that the man I was married to was not the man I thought I was married to. And, for a while, I thought I would just have to accept that and try to go on existing for the rest of my days. Thankfully, this site showed me that I had choices, even though I didn't like them.
You have choices, too, Liz. Even though you may not like them......
L
While it certainly wasn't easy, I had to face the reality that the man I was married to was not the man I thought I was married to. And, for a while, I thought I would just have to accept that and try to go on existing for the rest of my days. Thankfully, this site showed me that I had choices, even though I didn't like them.
You have choices, too, Liz. Even though you may not like them......
L
There came a point in my marriage when I realized that although we started out with the same goals, dreams, values, and plans, somewhere along the way, we ended up going in different directions. At the same time, I realized that, drinking or not, he just didn't want the same things in life I wanted. Not only that, he wasn't interested in changing or conforming to my ideals.
While it certainly wasn't easy, I had to face the reality that the man I was married to was not the man I thought I was married to. And, for a while, I thought I would just have to accept that and try to go on existing for the rest of my days. Thankfully, this site showed me that I had choices, even though I didn't like them.
You have choices, too, Liz. Even though you may not like them......
L
While it certainly wasn't easy, I had to face the reality that the man I was married to was not the man I thought I was married to. And, for a while, I thought I would just have to accept that and try to go on existing for the rest of my days. Thankfully, this site showed me that I had choices, even though I didn't like them.
You have choices, too, Liz. Even though you may not like them......
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I see where you are coming from Liz. You aren't ready to leave this relationship, and that's ok. The pain of staying has not become larger than the pain of leaving.
That said, I also think you are searching these boards for the enlightenment that will one day lead you to walk out that door.
Congrats on seeking your own growth.
When my xah was watching doomsday preppers all the time, bought the stuff for and created a "bug out" bag, and was stock piling guns AS WELL AS drinking everyday, I decided the environment was too unsafe for me.
That said, I also think you are searching these boards for the enlightenment that will one day lead you to walk out that door.
Congrats on seeking your own growth.
When my xah was watching doomsday preppers all the time, bought the stuff for and created a "bug out" bag, and was stock piling guns AS WELL AS drinking everyday, I decided the environment was too unsafe for me.
The interesting part is that armageddon DID happen to my AH. Just not in the way he'd envisioned. His bug-out bags, guns and disinfecting vodka went with him to his very own survival hut --- his condo --- and now he has to face our evil zombie lawyers as I swoop in to 'steal' half his assets, poor baby!
Sorry to derail the OP. Liza, I dealt with a lot of paranoia with my AH and I guess it's part of the addiction. Their brains are just not working properly, and sometimes I think all the paranoid thoughts are just a smokescreen designed to distract us from the real issue. Peace to you as you figure out a way to live with your situation.
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It sounds as if his mental illness is getting worse. That can sometimes be a aggravated in alcohol abuse. Drinking on an anti-depressant can often make the person drunk very quickly also. Which is, of course, what the alcoholic wants.
OH: FYI everyone! Tomorrow is marriage counseling day! I'm giving it the acronym: MCD!
Any thoughts or feelings you all would like to share?
My thoughts? Try not to have any expectations. I went into marriage counseling thinking that at last, a neutral third party would validate me and agree with me. Tell him how right I was and how wrong he was. Boy, was I disappointed.
As it turns out, though, my AH wasn't interested in continuing (surprise!) and I saw her individually for about 18 mos. One of the best things that ever happened to me.
L
As it turns out, though, my AH wasn't interested in continuing (surprise!) and I saw her individually for about 18 mos. One of the best things that ever happened to me.
L
My thoughts? Try not to have any expectations. I went into marriage counseling thinking that at last, a neutral third party would validate me and agree with me. Tell him how right I was and how wrong he was. Boy, was I disappointed.
As it turns out, though, my AH wasn't interested in continuing (surprise!) and I saw her individually for about 18 mos. One of the best things that ever happened to me.
L
As it turns out, though, my AH wasn't interested in continuing (surprise!) and I saw her individually for about 18 mos. One of the best things that ever happened to me.
L
I had told AH 3 weeks ago that I wanted him to go to counseling but he hasn't made an appointment. He's not interested in therapy for himself. According to him, the only complaints he's going to make in therapy are about the fact that I hate sex and that he's not getting any. Oh boy, it's gonna be interesting and I'm going to put on my sense of humor too, because seeing the absurdity in all of it can really bring a smile to my face, I don't know why though?
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What are you hoping to get out of marriage counselling Liz? If you are going in with no expectations for future. Are you attending to satisfy going through the motions so that you can say in the end that you did everything you could to save the marriage and then make a decision to leave or stay and accept that nothing is going to change and stay.
Let me preface this by saying that whatever one chooses do do is always ok, but I get a sense that you already know that what you have now with your husband, is what you will always have, maybe worse. I think you really want to stay no matter what you already know because you can work around it. As you say you are going to church with your Son, going to bible study and feeling serene. I'm glad to hear that. That said, it still leaves your Son in a less ideal family environment. Why then continue with the MC? Is it possible that you place great important of what everything looks like on the outside, be damned what is really going on inside. Good curb appeal.
Let me preface this by saying that whatever one chooses do do is always ok, but I get a sense that you already know that what you have now with your husband, is what you will always have, maybe worse. I think you really want to stay no matter what you already know because you can work around it. As you say you are going to church with your Son, going to bible study and feeling serene. I'm glad to hear that. That said, it still leaves your Son in a less ideal family environment. Why then continue with the MC? Is it possible that you place great important of what everything looks like on the outside, be damned what is really going on inside. Good curb appeal.
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