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i have heard in the rooms of aa that only 9 out of 10 alcoholics who seek recovery actually make it......i would consider that bleak.
i hear this everytime i attend an open aa meeting, whether it be from the speaker or from the meeting itself.
and i hear it from many meetings, from many counties.
so, i don't know. i know the chemistry of addiction, whether it be alcohol, drugs, food, martyrdom, porno, nicotine,etc., is truly chemically based and all addictions show the same dopamine reaction in the brain to it's chosen doc.
all addictions are very deeply rooted and we all have at least one. i have several, myself, and i know that my recovery from my addictions are pretty bleak unless i seek intense therapy, and then, i wouldn't be so sure i could conquer.
i'm just very fortunate that drugs or alcohol are not my addictions, for, from my experience, they are the worst of the worst. that opinion comes about because that is what has been in my life as the most destructive force i've ever dealt with.
i hear this everytime i attend an open aa meeting, whether it be from the speaker or from the meeting itself.
and i hear it from many meetings, from many counties.
so, i don't know. i know the chemistry of addiction, whether it be alcohol, drugs, food, martyrdom, porno, nicotine,etc., is truly chemically based and all addictions show the same dopamine reaction in the brain to it's chosen doc.
all addictions are very deeply rooted and we all have at least one. i have several, myself, and i know that my recovery from my addictions are pretty bleak unless i seek intense therapy, and then, i wouldn't be so sure i could conquer.
i'm just very fortunate that drugs or alcohol are not my addictions, for, from my experience, they are the worst of the worst. that opinion comes about because that is what has been in my life as the most destructive force i've ever dealt with.
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Originally Posted by Barbara52 
See Ago reaction to FD's comment as to how easy insult is taken.
when he began drinking again (which nearly all alcoholics inevitably do)
what you'd like to do with your life when this period of sobriety inevitably fails.
Once an addict, always an addict.
even in sobriety because addicts retain many of the unacceptable behaviors they displayed when drunk. Those behaviors are life-long patterns and habits that daily attendance at Alanon and therapy often can't break.
It's a bleak outlook for alcoholics and the people who choose to spend their lives with them.
what you'd like to do with your life when this period of sobriety inevitably fails.
Once an addict, always an addict.
even in sobriety because addicts retain many of the unacceptable behaviors they displayed when drunk. Those behaviors are life-long patterns and habits that daily attendance at Alanon and therapy often can't break.
It's a bleak outlook for alcoholics and the people who choose to spend their lives with them.
I feel "discriminated against" by statements such as these, which imply that even though I am sober, I am still "just an alcoholic" and it demeans me and takes away my value as a human being. I feel these statements are extremely disrespectful to sober alcoholics.
I have no problem with this being a safe place to vent, I have never taken insult about anybody "venting" about the alcoholics in their lives, or the behaviors practicing alcoholics have. I have even done some of my own.
I am here because I am a "Friend and Family" of an alcoholic.
Originally Posted by DII
Ago, this is a site for Friends and Families of Alcoholics. It is here for a SAFE place for friends and families to express their frustration, pain and personal experience. One of the problems with the A's in their life is them making us feel guilty that we express our feelings and pain the A's in our life has caused us. Please don't come in here and scold us because YOU are sensitive. Find another site.....
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ago, i am sorry you feel insulted. however, in the rooms of aa and those who are in recovery, i have found that one can speak very honestly with them about our own experiences and opinions.
they have accepted and taken responsibility for their actions while using. they are some of the most understanding, humble people i have ever met.
it was from the mouth of an ra that taught me so much about why alcoholics do what they do.
they have accepted and taken responsibility for their actions while using. they are some of the most understanding, humble people i have ever met.
it was from the mouth of an ra that taught me so much about why alcoholics do what they do.
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Here's my take on this thread.
While several of you were bickering and arguing with each other LostSue's husband is still trying to stay sober. LostSue is still in pain because she loves an alcoholic.
How, exactly, does your bickering and arguing help that man? How does it help LostSue?
As far as I can tell, everybody here has experienced the pain of loving an alcoholic. Do you remember that pain? Do you remember what it felt like when you first arrived here on SR? How, exactly, would you have felt if you arrived at SR and witnessed this kind of bickering?
Are you guys aware that there are a number of people on this forum who fear for their lives and safety at the hands of their spouses? Us Moderators and Greeters have our hands full with people who are in physical danger. Spending time babysitting this thread and trying to defuse the bickering is a huge distraction.
Until such a time as you learn to get along with each other I am just going to lock threads and pull posts. If you become enough of a distraction I will simply ask you to leave. Your hurt feelings and offended egos are not as important as the safety and lives of other members here on SR.
Mike
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While several of you were bickering and arguing with each other LostSue's husband is still trying to stay sober. LostSue is still in pain because she loves an alcoholic.
How, exactly, does your bickering and arguing help that man? How does it help LostSue?
As far as I can tell, everybody here has experienced the pain of loving an alcoholic. Do you remember that pain? Do you remember what it felt like when you first arrived here on SR? How, exactly, would you have felt if you arrived at SR and witnessed this kind of bickering?
Are you guys aware that there are a number of people on this forum who fear for their lives and safety at the hands of their spouses? Us Moderators and Greeters have our hands full with people who are in physical danger. Spending time babysitting this thread and trying to defuse the bickering is a huge distraction.
Until such a time as you learn to get along with each other I am just going to lock threads and pull posts. If you become enough of a distraction I will simply ask you to leave. Your hurt feelings and offended egos are not as important as the safety and lives of other members here on SR.
Mike
Moderator, SoberRecovery.
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