Healthy Love Versus Codependency

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Old 11-21-2007, 07:32 AM
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Healthy Love Versus Codependency

Reading through past posts, I found this. I thought it deserved to be threaded again as its confusing to recognise how to be a caring person without being a codependant. I know I've asked a few times 'How do I know if I'm just being nice or being codie?'....

Many thanks again to Denny57 for posting this originally xxxx

Originally Posted by denny57 View Post
Healthy Love Versus Codependency

By Dr. J. Richard Earley, Ph.D
When I get into a relationship, it's like putting Miracle Gro on my character defects, a lady said at a meeting. The room howled, a roar of recognition. Relating well is such an art.

Listening to someone share about their codependent behavior can chill me because I know first hand the pain awaiting them. When I get close to someone, I struggle not to move from caring into controlling, or to pull back into isolating and being passive aggressive. Both extremes, to me, are when healthy love degenerates into codependency.

I naturally think about and feel for those I care for. It's a great part of living. But I can get scared and withdraw, trying to exert power by my silent withholding, until I come to my senses and realize the person doesn't deserve this treatment, and I don't want to live like this. Then I'll get up the resolve to talk the issue over.

Or I'll lapse into working out my schemes for someone I care for to be happier and more successful. At times, while sifting putting great energy into improving them, it pops into my mind, "What am I doing? Put this energy on you, Rick.' And then I remind myself to be powerless over others, and I calm myself with the first three steps and the Serenity Prayer.

Love is accepting others, "warts and all." Love turns bad when I pressure someone to put on the wart medicine. I try to give others the dignity of solving their problems in their own way and pace, being there for them when they ask. I trust that they have their own Higher Power.

I made a commitment years back not to give abuse or to accept abuse. Working at this commitment over time led me to the promise of intuitively handling many situations that used to baffle me. For as I watched myself, felt my feelings, I learned tremendously about my interactions. My commitment then shifted to a more positive version of not giving or receiving abuse: I committed myself to give love and to receive love. It's my guide in relationships.

The Healthy Person

The healthy human being, to me, isn't someone utterly independent, but one who wants adult relationships. This person knows that fine line of crossing into codependency, not that they always straddle it. The healthy person bonds with others, feels deeply, cares what happens, worries and grieves appropriately. Healthy people compromise. A good adult to adult relation- ship is fifty-fifty, sometimes my way, sometimes yours. We're equal. We bring different talents, excel in our own ways, appreciate each other's strengths and respect our weaknesses.

The healthy person honors boundaries, not offering advice when it isn't requested. Repeat - not offering advice when it isn't requested, a basic tenet of effective human living so often sinned against in the name of helping.

Giving advice when it's not asked for, or taking someone else's inventory, is clearly an attack. At the least, it makes the person feel guilty, such as telling an overweight person to lose weight. It's an invasion. The healthy person respects the overweight person's right to live by using food to get by, or whatever, knowing that the first step to helping someone is to honor their process. Each learns in his own way. By letting someone know I respect them, they'll often open up and ask for guidance. To urge them when they're not ready, just doesn't work.

I'm healthy, then, when I'm caring, but not controlling. I'm healthy when I show up the best I can for the relationship. I'm healthy when, if I stumble, I try to stumble forward.

Marks of Codependency

When does helping another or bonding emphatically become harmful? Am I losing myself? Is there too much, or not enough, compromising? Am I working my own inventory and not theirs? Am I giving them enough space, and am I giving myself enough? Am I showing up enough, giving enough? I look for an edge in my voice, a big cue. Am I nervous? Do I need results over process? All these are telling for me.

If I find myself obsessing on helping someone, I'm in trouble. If I feel overly bad because someone else is having troubles, I'm in trouble. If I am obsessing on changing others, I am in trouble. Loving concerns, which I talk forthrightly about, are different.

"Maybe you ought to lob more," I told my tennis doubles partner during a crucial part of a match. He was quiet, then, before serving the next point, he blurted out, "And how would you like your coffee served?" He tried to make a joke of it, even as he said it, but it shocked me, and I feel ashamed even now writing this. The comment surprised me because he had recently told me any advice I had would be appreciated. What had happened?

Years ago, I would have stuffed my lousy feelings about this. But his comment hurt, and I felt that gnawing in my stomach. With my commitment not to accept abuse, I had to deal with it. But I first had to look at my inventory.

I almost never give partners advice, so I knew it was odd that I had. It took me awhile to recognize that I said to lob because of my fear of losing. I was inventorying his game at a time of intense pressure in the match. My unconscious fear was at work. I apologized afterward, and he accepted and apologized back.

Overcoming Codependency Psychotherapist Alice Miller discusses a study of fourteen incarcerated fathers who abused their children. At first, they felt no remorse about what they had done. But as they found the freedom to speak of their actions in safe therapy, all fourteen offenders were finally able to cry over the horrors they had inflicted. As a result, it's likely that, with continued work, they'll be able to stop abusing. Being aware of our feelings and of the consequences of our actions are huge steps in overcoming codependency.

Stephen Covey outlines a helpful concept in his book, The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People. The one extreme for Covey is Independence, the other Codependence. But the healthy meeting ground is what he terms Interdependence, which means bring independent with someone else.

Intimacy is being myself with someone else. I must be myself, yet revere the other.

Overcoming codependency is an inside job, working with my feelings and thoughts to tease out my deeper motives. Gently nurturing myself as I work with my problems, I become better able to relate with others. I examine relationships I'm in, and have been in, to find my patterns. The program says we must be rigorously honest. I rigorously watch my inner messages to myself. I see my thoughts as builders of my life. The more thinking I do on something, the more I tend to attract it. So I look to put my thoughts, not on fixing others, but toward love and creativity. Otherwise, I might as well get out the Miracle Gro.

Surrendering Codependency

1. "This above all, to thine own self be true and it must follow, as the night the day, thou can'st not then be false to any man," wrote Shakespeare. Doing what's right for me, I find that everyone benefits.

2. Accept yourself in this moment, as you are. Approve of your likes and dislikes, your inclinations and dis-inclinations. Let yourself care, but not control.

3. Commit to not helping when not asked, and to never taking another's inventory. Give others the dignity of working at their own way and pace, the dignity of learning through trial and error.

4. Watch how you err - too enmeshed, controlling, being controlled, or too independent, withdrawing, passive aggressive. When in doubt what. to do, try contrary action and see how you feel. If guilt arises", you're probably taking positive contrary action.

5. In your relationships, just do your best and don't worry about making mistakes. Mistakes are the by-products of rapid growth. Just worry about learning from your mistakes.

6. Avoid "you" messages. It's easier to respond if I hear, "it works for me to..." than to hear, "You just have to ......

Dr. Early was International Human Resources Manager for Getty Oil where he worked for fifteen years. He is a nationally published writer and a college instructor. He lives in Santa Monica.
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Old 11-21-2007, 11:01 AM
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Thumbs up Co-dependency...

I find one big problem I have had to work on is being passive/aggressive...heavy on the passive side. I have never wanted to hurt or confront people, unless they are being agressive to me...my second husband would put me down...phychologically abuse me and my son, and a few times physcialy abuse me. I rarely stood up for myself. I kept telling myself that I didn't want to go through another divorce. The only time we communicated on an equal level was when we went out drinking. Even then he would get to a certain point and become angry with me. When I divorced him he still tried to control me over the phone and one time in the Emotional Health Unit where I was for my depression...they did role playing with me to help me be assertive or agressive if need be with my Ex. on the phone. It worked. He didn't quite know how to deal with me.

I have always thought my Mom was too controlling with my Dad and that my Dad was too passive with my Mom. I have always had distaste for women that totally controlled their husbands and the husbands let them do this out in public. Through all of the counseling I have had through the years for my depression I have learned how to be assertive and when I should be agressive if need be.

I feel much better about myself when I am able to do this. I give advice to my kids when they ask...I have always let them live their own lives but be there for them if something comes their way that they don't know how to handle.

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My husband and I rarely argue for argument sake...but we do discuss issues and sometimes agree to disagree ( term I learned about in college).
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Old 11-21-2007, 11:26 AM
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Thank you for putting this up here, Lily. It slowed me down for a few minutes, gave me a chance to reflect and helped me see a solution to a problem....yup!! co-dep stuff....I am letting it go!

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Old 11-22-2007, 02:49 AM
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When I found this yesterday I was so glad. Since I've come here and begun the healing process I have felt a little lost at times. I have acted a certain way so long, its become all I know. I found myself thinking, how can I break out of codependancy when I don't know what the healthy way to act is? How do 'normal' people handle things? I love these 6 steps here. For me they are like a blue print to guide me as I begin on my path.

Glad others are gaining an insight through this too. Definately too good a post to get lost in the archives!

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Ooooh! I like that idea! I vote YES!

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That line between caring and controlling can be so danged hard to see! And it applies in so many areas of my life, most of which have nothing to do with addictions. I am trying very hard to respect that line right now with my older son. He is struggling with some problems at school that may very well have a negative impact on his career choice. I am trying real hard to listen, be supportive, restate what I hear him say to clarify but especially not to give unwanted advice or tell him what to do.
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