My mother is an Alcoholic, and I'm 15

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Old 11-12-2007, 11:09 AM
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My mother is an Alcoholic, and I'm 15

Hello, I'm new here. I'm 15 years old, an only child and I live in a small village, in Greece(sorry for any grammar mistakes) with my Mother(divorced) and my Grandmother .

So here's my problem: My mother is an alcoholic since I can remember her, until we moved to this village, for economical reasons, and she then stopped drinking for 3 years . Before moving she would be drunk for long periods of time but most of it she was sober. She would never admit that she gets drunk and reject what I say believing that they come from my grandmother or my father and she would go to work even even during her drunk periods (she is a teacher...). I learned to simply wait until she would get sober. She also had a boyfriend and she would get the most drunk when she would meet him.

But now that we are in this village and she started drinking again everything goes as terribly as possible:
The first 3 totally sober years, she was at her best. These would describe her well: :comfort:ghug if she was in both cases the smiling person.
She bought a car and she was very proud of it. But now lately she found a new boyfriend, a total idiot who slowly came to live with her at another house we have in this village. She would go to that house about 3 days a week and I lived with my grandmother, and soon she started drinking again. When she said something bad while drunk, my grandmother would immediately start shouting for hours and my mother too. My grandmother isn't any bright too and she wouldn't realize how pointless that is. When my mother was drunk and not in the mood to create conflict, she would become the typical daughter, as typical as possible, and my grandmother wouldn't notice and would happily engage to these predictable conversations. I have read some things online about alcoholics and I know thats the worst way to treat an alcoholic, but I have tried and it is IMPOSSIBLE to convince her to simply ignore my mother. She just cant miss a chance to speak or to argue and doesn't seem to be able to think.

That boyfriend of hers is creating much trouble too. He's 100% like the stereotypes want a man to be, and cant tell when she is drunk or when she is not. He will talk just about anything and he will give the most typical and predictable answers. He himself is 100% predictable too, and he will believe what my mother says that everyone who says she is drunk hears it from my grandmother or from my father. He asks awfully lots of meaningless details, and for some reason, when my mother is close to him and drunk she tries to mimic him.

Of course, my mother has crushed with the car 5 times, the last one almost deadly but it was always on an object she hit and so the insurance guys couldn't find that she was drunk, although the last time and one more they found a reason to refuse to pay and so she paid and another stupid friend gave her another car to use until the other one got repaired, although her boyfriend agreed to take her anywhere she needs.

In the almost deadly accident when she had the bandage removed she started drinking again, immediately. She seems to have instructed her boyfriend to avoid me and my grandmother too and so I can't talk to him. How do I make my mother come to real word in a situation like this??? My father is a good person, and probably the only reason I'm not with him now is that I've been hiding to him how my mother is, since I'm sure that leaving would break my mother down, but now I'm like thisA

I forgot to say that now when she's drunk she tries to be as responsible as ever and tries to tell me what to do with my life with truly stupid advice. She also becomes very typical and predictable and with that ****** they make this "family" look like a traditional family of the 50s. I wonder what sick stuff is in her mind and what would happen if I told her how disgusted I am by her(well I know this one, she would go torture my grandmother and treat me as if I have been brainwashed)
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Old 11-12-2007, 01:05 PM
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Welcome...so glad you have found us. There is a ton of good information here as well as people to listen and help.

I am so sorry you are going through this.
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You are in a difficult situation. When I was your age I had a couple of friends who had great families and I spent a lot of time at their house and went of their family vacations with them. Have you been able to make friends since you moved?
Can you set boundaries with your mother. Maybe you can tell her you won't talk to her when she has had too much to drink. Tell her how her drinking is affecting you but have this talk when she is not drunk. You sound like an wonderful person. I am so sorry you have to live like this. By the way, your English is very good.
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Hello Achilleas,
I am soo sorry that you are going through this. I don't know what to say to you but I can tell you what I did.....
I confided into a friend that I could trust, read & learned how to detach, set boundaries......just because you are 15 & your alcoholic is your mother doesn't mean you cannot have boundaries - they are very important for your sanity, try to find an Al Ateen or Al Anon meeting in you area - if not post here & often, & read anything you can about alcoholism.

Do you have any Al Ateen books? If not I am sure we here at SR can get you one....I may have a few that I can get my hands on!

Remember this is not your fault....
Also Remember the "three C's"
CAUSE
You did not cause your loved one's alcoholism. Nothing you do is responsible for your loved one's drinking. Alcoholics often cast blame on the people who are closest to them. This is simply an attempt to justify the drinking he or she would do anyway.
CONTROL
You can't control your loved one's behavior. You can share your thoughts and feelings with an alcoholic. You can even impose certain consequences if your loved one drinks. But the decision to seek treatment is one that only your loved one can make.
CURE
You can't cure your loved one's alcoholism. Alcoholics who have stopped drinking often refer to themselves as "recovering" rather than "cured." There's no treatment that allows alcoholics to return to moderate drinking. It's safest to completely abstain from alcohol. But again, the decision to abstain rests with your loved one -- not you.

Remembering these three points allows you to respond to an alcoholic's behavior on the basis of your knowledge rather than react based on anxiety or resentment. And this is the essence of detaching with love.

Take care of you,
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Hi Achilleas,

Keep reading honey and it can eventually help you. I am sorry too that you are going through this with your mother. You sound very grown up and you should be proud of yourself.
I have a Neice 18 and nephew 16 now and they have been through what you described for many years. It is a nasty situation for you to be going through, I know. Hopefully you have some support either with close friends or relatives that you can confide in or spend time with. They had been hiding their mothers addiction for along time because she threatened them or bought them presents to make herself feel better I guess. In the end, once it got out that she was an alcoholic, their world changed. For example, they were able to talk about it more, (which helps) and the grown ups could take on some of the nasty stuff. It may well be that you have to start telling mum (when she is sober) what this is doing to you and her. Sometimes they dont remember things they do or say. (my neice starting recording conversations and taking pictures of her) and showed her when she was sober. This actually made their mother think a little more about it, but in the end they had to move out of the house, as the situation was too bad for them. My advise is to stick up for yourself, tell her how you feel, set some boundaries with her eg. You could refuse to talk to her when she is drunk, go see some neighbours or friends, take up a hobby to meet new people. Their mother would always tell them she loved them, buy them a present and think it was going to be OK. but it wasnt. Your mum has to know that you will not put up with this, that its not ok. We can assist them to be drunk without even knowing we are doing it. Like doing the cooking, washing, shopping, not saying anything because we think they need to be looked after but in actual fact she needs to look after herself on her own.
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My thoughts are with you.

This is a wonderful place to receive support.

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I am new to this too,except im 14. im going through king of what your going through except with my dad. just hang in there
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Old 11-13-2007, 01:42 AM
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Achilleas & Raw, keep talking and maybe you can talk to one another in private.
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Old 11-13-2007, 05:15 AM
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Thanks a lot for the support. It is actually the first time I open up to someone, as I'm very crappy doing it. If someone asked me "what's wrong, you seem unhappy" I would be more likely to give them a link to this forum rather than tell them.

I am aware about most of what you say about my mother's and my own psychology but the problem is her boyfriend and my grandmother. Because she understands that I believe it is not OK she lives almost all day with her boyfriend. I'm afraid the situation with him will develop to something like this:
I move to my father, my mother marries that guy, he understands after 5+ years her problem, and as a traditional person he will demand her to cut it immediately and start hitting her.
Before we come to this village, I was exactly as justjo described I should be and that's why she wasn't drinking much and stopped for 3 years.

I'd get books to read about alcoholism further, but this village is somewhat detached from the world. It also seems that I'm the only computer nerd around, so I can't find common interests and therefore friends. Earlier I made some, but my interests became gradually too complicated for them. The way I have always ignored her was by playing games. I could be playing about 14 hours a day in vacation and then I was so absorbed that not only was I totally ignorant of my mother who could be fighting with someone at the same time, but I actually spent some time separating the differences between the game's world and the real world when I stopped playing. This was sometimes followed by hallucinations.

Now I don't really feel the need for friends. I must do something decisive because I want this situation to stop, rather than play games. That will be either a last try to do something and if it fails I move to my father, or I just move to my father(possibly the December if I will come to that)
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Old 11-13-2007, 10:25 AM
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Achilleas,

So sorry to hear of your pain. As difficult as it may be for you, perhaps you should go and stay with your father, if only for a month or so. Just to get away from the stresses at home. Confide in him. He will want to help you as much as he can. You really cannot carry the responsibility of other peoples lives around with you.

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I'm afraid the situation with him will develop to something like this:
I move to my father, my mother marries that guy, he understands after 5+ years her problem, and as a traditional person he will demand her to cut it immediately and start hitting her.
Unfortunately you cannot plan your mother's life for her. She needs to reach her 'bottom'. You are not responsible for what she has done, is, or will be doing.

All my love to you
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Old 11-13-2007, 01:06 PM
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You can not predict what will happen in your mothers life, you can however make choices for your own. You can not stop her from doing anything. (What if) are two words we use so much and are words that don't help one bit.

My mom was an alcoholic from as far back as I can remember. She stopped drinking about three years before she died (in her 70's) After my dad died she hooked up with the most worthless man you ever met. She paid him to be there. She paid him to go away. She hated him but would never ask him to move out. I grew up in a home where you never knew who was going to be there when you got home. the funny happy mom, the depressed suasidel mom or the crazy one who beat your brother.

Rather than trying to seek help (I didn't know there was any back then) I stuck it out, I stood up for her and put her back together when she fell apart and at some point....... I became her. I became exactly what I hated more than anything in the world. I became the crazy crying alcoholic. The only difference is I have no kids to take it out on.

Go live with your dad and go to some support meeting (Help your self) You can love your mom all you want but you can't forsee the future for her and you can't protect her from her self. She will do what she will do wether you stay or go.

I'm sorry if I seem harsh but I know what you are going through all to well. Oh and one last thing. Isolation only makes it worse. (I know)
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Hi Achilleas

I know you are very protective and worried about your mum. For instance, 'what could be', 'what might happen'. Honey, unfortunately, your mum is going to keep doing what ever she wants and no one can stop that. Ok the boyfriend sounds like hes not very nice. My sister who I have been talking about basically has lost her marbles. While my neice and nephew were still living with her, she would bring home men and they thought she cared more about the men than them. Whats really happening here is this - Your mum is using her boyfriend and he is using her. I mean, they are both getting something else from their relationship other than love. He may provide money or drink for her and she may provide other things for him. While mum is drinking this will continue and if the boyfriend decides to leave, your mum may get another man just so she can continue to get booze. It really is a horrible disease and mum cant be saved. My neice and nephew wouldnt leave their mum because they wanted to be there for the 'just in case' I made them leave the house because the situation was becoming way too bad. When they went and lived with their dad it was different at first but now they are happier, fed, and their lives are moving ahead now. It does get easier with time. How do you feel about staying with dad? Over time he could see what you need and be there for you.
One of my sons who is 18 loves computers too, but you have to put times on it and start looking at other things otherwise you not grow socially. Maybe try doing other things with those boys - give it a go cos sometimes you may just enjoy it if you put your mind to it.
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Well, my mother hasn't turned into such a w hore yet. After she got divorced she only got two boyfriends, the current one and another one in the past. The first wasn't able to tell when my mother was sober or drunk too, but I'm sure he wasn't using her as I knew him well and we would go to many places together(and with my mother of course). Their relationship lasted 6 years and I don't know how and why it ended. I don't know if it ended, actually, as she would call him until 2 months before she met the new one.

She met the new one 5 months ago, and she wasn't a known alcoholic until then, even though the first time I saw then together she was drunk, and during the first 3 months there would be periods where she would be drunk, and periods where she would be sober and she had 3 accidents during that time. Now she's always drunk. I'm sure that he is simply stupid, as he is a popular candidate mayor of another, bigger village(that includes my village) at the next elections, and he wouldn't like to have the rumor that he is dating an alcoholic spread.

So I feel like I should give her more time. The deadline is 28th December, when my father always takes me for 15 days at his home(in a city) and I'll tell him. I don't think I need to inform her about it, unless I see her sober.

Additionally, the more she drinks, the more I get the impression that she cares about me less even than herself, which is hardly any
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no, not at all

One of my sons who is 18 loves computers too, but you have to put times on it and start looking at other things otherwise you not grow socially. Maybe try doing other things with those boys - give it a go cos sometimes you may just enjoy it if you put your mind to it.
Isolation only makes it worse.
Hmm my isolation is a completely different story. I lost most of my friends when my English knowledge got good enough to read English computer tutorials, play MMORPG's, etc, and it was during my "vacation" time, during my mother had recovered from alcohol for 3 years. Well, the boys at my age seem to talk only about football, cars, porn, and how they masturbate. I only have one and good friend now, but still we have no common interests, and so even that relationship diminishes, even though slowly.

That of course was always making my mother very unhappy, but there is no chess club around :preach
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I think it will be good for you to go to your fathers over the holidays and have a break from it. Are you looking forward to it?

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I remember I was too ashamed to bring friends home because my mother was so embarrassing. She used to shame me and speak harshly in front of them. As a consequence, I wouldn't invite friends over anymore. I found it hard to have friends because I was so ashamed of myself and my home life. I think going to your father's is the best solution. It is not your responsibility to protect your grandmother, nor is it your responsibility to protect your mother from the consequences of her drinking... I wish I had had a father to run to. Just think... if this boyfriend could hit your mother... he will probably hit you too. You can still love your mother... but from afar. You must learn to love yourself more.
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i am so sorry for you that you are putting up with your mom. her drinking is not your problem, it is hers. you can not do anything to make her quit drinking. you seem to be such a bright girl & you should be having the time of your life. teen years should be the best yrs. if living with your father would be better on you & for you go for it. take care of your feelings & your happiness. you should not have to live with her & her drinking. i am sure she loves you but she is just not able to be a good mom to you now.don't suffer because of her drinking.go to your dads for the holidays & have fun.does he live in the same village as your mom? maybe there your can find friends & other intrest outside the house. i will say a prayer for you & for your family. hugs, hope
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Well, I finally got my father to speak to her 9 days ago, and even though she was slightly drunk when they spoke, she hasn't got drunk since. Remarkable! I don't know if it'll last, but it'd better do.

Edit: I forgot to say that she hasn't seen her boyfriend since, but she doesn't look unhappy too. So I guess she might have broke up with him
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I remember I was too ashamed to bring friends home because my mother was so embarrassing. She used to shame me and speak harshly in front of them.
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you seem to be such a bright gir
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Old 11-23-2007, 02:55 PM
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achilleas, sorry about that. you are a bright young boy. maybe these sober days will go into months & then years. i sure hope they do. i also hope you will find something fun & intresting to do outside your house. you need to be doing fun things. these should be the happy days. i am glad to see you are coming back here. i am proud of you that you are doing the right things with all that goes on around you.keep coming back & let us know how u r doing.prayers for you & your family.
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i too am very sorry for what your going through. I too lived with my alcoholic mother for what seemed like forever. I am married now and just refuse to talk to her or have anything to do with her b/c of her drinking. i too would recommend going to live with your father, if thats a safe place for you. also, get out and try to make friends, do you go to school? i would recommend focusing on yourself and school. Only you can change your future, take charge now and you will begin to see light at the end of the tunnel. take care and i will be praying for you!
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