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Old 01-21-2019, 09:56 AM   #441 (permalink)
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Y'all are doing great, ...if ya ask me ?!

If I imagine a reality ,..say 50 years ago ,when the idea of radically cutting down , or eliminating processed sugar wasn't even considered as a healthier way to eat . The huge benefits of lowering inflammation , …. and eliminating the decades long creeping organ damage where some people develop non alcoholic fatty liver

…. eventually leading to diagnosis of insulin resistance ( pre- diabetic ) …. or , God forbid a diagnosis of T2D . !!

..at the risk of sounding melodramatic ,.....then it's just a slow movin' eff'n death spiral for quality of life .

I've had a hella'va time staying away completely from sugar recently . Hopefully some ongoing IF this winter / spring will give my body enough time (with lower insulin levels ) to burn off any fat in my poor liver working overtime .

Wishing everyone here a strong start to a healthy 2019 !!
Hello topspin! I so appreciate your post and for shedding some much needed perspective on this topic (for me at least).
I too am wishing everyone a strong and healthy 2019!
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Hey everyone,

In early December I decided to quit all (added) sugar. Of course there's still small amounts of sugar in some breads, sauces, etc. but I'm conscious of the choices I'm making and I quit all the processed stuff I was eating.

After freeing myself of my alcohol and smoking addictions, honestly this was effortless when I finally decided to do it. It was just becoming too much of a chore trying to plan and moderate my sugar intake every single day, when what I really wanted to do was binge.

I did allow myself to "cheat" on my sugar rules over the holidays, but have decided not to beat myself up over it. I've lost 7 pounds from when I first quit, and actually feel like I'm able to eat more this way and enjoy food more in general.
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I am 24 days sugar free! Like cosimo said..I know I have had some in breads, sauces and such but I am not binging on a half gallon of ice cream or package of cookies. I do believe abstinence from alcohol makes it much easier. I am taking it a day at a time! Thanks for letting me share!
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I have not posted in a long time. I've spent most of my time on the alcoholism and spirituality discussions, but I now face an eating disorder. I quit drinking and smoking a long time ago, so I guess binge-eating is the next hurdle.
Sugar is a particular problem: Once I start, I cannot stop. I have had refined sugar just two times during the past months, and I am managing my eating better.
I have gained and lost and gained and lost over the past 12 years. I quit smoking as I entered menopause--a lethal combination--and I lost weight by logging my food. It worked for a while, but I drifted away, gained, binged. Repeat. Multiple times. I finally put a name on it: Binge eating. I am seeing a therapist. I also have depression, anxiety, PTSD. I know the value of working with others who have similar issues, so I hope I can find support here. Thanks.
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Old 01-29-2019, 04:21 AM   #445 (permalink)
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murrill- I suffer from the same. I hope your therapy helps. I try the one day at a time approach but it is really hard. I was doing so well and then had a binge this past Saturday. I suffer from insomnia and sometimes I think this is the cause. Wishing you the best.
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Can I join? My husband and I are on the Bright Line Eating program and have given up sugar and loving the way we feel. It's also been a huge tool to my approach to quitting alcohol!
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Can I join? My husband and I are on the Bright Line Eating program and have given up sugar and loving the way we feel. It's also been a huge tool to my approach to quitting alcohol!
Yes...feel free to join...I have not been doing too well lately. Any advice or help is appreciated!
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Yes...feel free to join...I have not been doing too well lately. Any advice or help is appreciated!
Hey, thanks! We're doing Bright Line Eating, are you familiar?
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Hi lipstuck. Never heard of bright line. Please enlighten us if you have time.
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Hi lipstuck. Never heard of bright line. Please enlighten us if you have time.
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I'd be happy to! The author is a long-time 12-stepper for drugs/alcohol and food additions. She considers sugar and flour addiction to be a drug addiction as well and discusses how our lifestyles overwhelm our dopamine processors and keep us in the cycle of addiction. Her solution to being "happy, thin, and free" is in the strict adherence to the four following "bright lines" (aka, uncrossable boundaries):
1. No sugar
2. No flour
3. Exactly 3 meals a day, no snacks or nibbling
4. All food is carefully weighed and measured.

So, it reads as very restrictive, but my husband and I find ourselves not especially missing the foods we've removed. I started the eating plan but it took me a bit of time to really come to a place of being ready to say goodbye to drinking, so my husband's results are way ahead of mine (although we're honestly doing better after a month of this than in any other eating plan we've ever tried). She doesn't encourage cheat days or meals, which is a great fit for us... we're both 10s on her scale of 1-10 for food addictions, and have both struggled with having that "cheat" and not being able to go back to being on course.
The good news is, too, that when you hit your goal weight, you incorporate more food in, so we know that it actually will get even better. You can make a lot of amazing meals from the resources available, and it only takes a little time in the evening to plan your food. She makes the point that our willpower drains as we go throughout the day, and in order to not make reactionary diet-breaking decisions, you commit to what you'll eat the day ahead. It's a great system for us, with our schedules. It's also allowed me to have a more positive first few days of not drinking, because instead of feeling ground down at the end of the day and fighting cravings, I've followed her advice to be grateful and mindful, and it's helped me focus more on positive things and slam the breaks on negative thinking and stress. I haven't wanted to drink, or eat sugary treats in lieu of alcohol.
SO. We are really enjoying this eating plan and have committed to it in the long run (knowing how succeptible we are to addiction). But, I haven't really been trying to "recruit" friends and family (you know when you find an awesome diet and you try to get everyone you know to do it with you? lol) because it is really a commitment and it's probably too restrictive to someone who doesn't struggle like we do (or those magical unicorn people who can eat one peanut butter cup or a few chips and walk away from the rest).
Hope this helps and wasn't too over the top, because I know I can be extra sometimes!
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I just wanted to stop in and say "hi."
As a sugar/food addict this addiction has been harder than it was for me to quit drugs and alcohol. The longest I have gone is 14 days and that meant not a single drop of sugar or anything that contained sugar. I thought that was it- I felt free and I also didn't have any cravings. Now they are back with a vengeance which makes me feel like those 14 days never even happened.

I am starting to work with some OA members. Today I will be sharing my list of foods I "enjoyed and tried to control". In the end this will most likely mean eliminating dairy and nuts as well. I am upset. I am afraid. But maybe that is a sign that these foods are no good for me.

Just wanted to share my thoughts here as well. I run the thread on sugar addiction recovery but I wanted to see how everyone was doing over here with their goals. Thanks for listening.
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Hey all! Apparently I joined before I even knew this thread existed .

So I started keto on Nov 26, with only two exceptions having a few bites of dessert at a dinner out — I’ve not had any added sugar or candies.

Sunflowerlife: Congrats! Recommend cutting them out and doing a FODMAP diet if you are curious about what affects you differently. Keep a log. I had to do this when I got out of the hospital for my Crohns/UC.... it turned out the biggest triggers for me were excessive wheat, corn... and alcohol.

Merrill: Glad you are seeing a counselor for the binge eating! We learn quickly that sugar is chemically addictive — we can even get withdrawals from it (hello, keto flu!). But the renewed energy and weight loss/balance at the other end of it is so worth it. I’ve found that fresh fruit (blackberries, raspberries, strawberries, blueberries) and making a berry salad rocks that sugar craving, and once the sugar is out of your system — I’d honest vastly prefer it to any candy or cake!

Cosima11: Yeah I hear you there. Actually evey stretch of health dieting (Whole30, Paleo, Keto, P90x) was paired with my largest stretches of sobriety. The difference is I always *planned* on going back to drinking someday — the diet just offered me a personal and public excuse to “cut back.” Because I associate healthy dieting with not drinking, jumping into keto head first has been pretty easy (plus I have so many recipes in my arsenal from doing 6 months of Whole30).

As an aside, I love that there is a fitness/health/food side to this forum. Keep on, SR!
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Starting Keto today. So tired of feeling tired! I also want to stop the cravings. So glad to be able to post here and looking for support!
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Evoo Welcome to the group. I was referred here by another member on SR, and it has been a wonderful source of support & information. Like many here, I am an alcoholic, sober a number of years. Binge eating became an issue about 10 years ago after I quit smoking, although in retrospect I understand that I had more than a casual relationship with sugar once I quit drinking. There is no doubt in my mind that it is an addictive substance. It has been more than one month since I eliminated it, although I had desserts on two consecutive days in early January. I have felt so much better since then. There is a little trial and error going on with me, but I am not out of control. You are right: Fruit, especially berries, are wonderful.

Bethany57 Welcome to our little corner of SR. I've found a lot of support and information here. I especially appreciate how people are so painfully honest with raw emotion--it helps to know I am not alone.

I continue to stay the course, i. e. no refined sugar, and I am not craving. I have found myself nibbling a little, and I realize it is because I had not planned very well. I have fixed that. It is a lesson I would be wise to remember!
I have mentioned that, no matter how vigilant I have been, the weight has not budged. My therapist said that I might be at my "set weight," and it could be a long time (if ever) before the scale moved! I was frustrated but resisted my tendency to throw in the towel. I resolved to appreciate non-scale victories. So just as I let go of my need to make weight loss my measure of success, the weight began to drop! About five pounds, which may not seem like a lot, but it makes me smile!
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Good morning, all! I noticed that I have not received any notices about posts for a while, and my last entry was >10 days ago. Anybody here? This site holds me accountable to myself, so I need to check in.
One mind-boggling thing is that there are so many sites with so many theories and approaches, that I become a little overwhelmed. I was "called out" (too strong of a description but...) for identifying as a sugar addict. I mean, seriously? Does it matter? It affects me that way alcohol did, and I know I was addicted to that! Anyway, just blowing off a little steam to get it out of my system. Moving on.

I have not binged or had any refined sugar, but I notice some red flags. I have been having the same breakfast every day for weeks (2% Fage Greek yogurt and a cup of berries). I am growing bored. I need something simple--almost grab & go--for breakfast. I could boil eggs or make frittatas, I guess. I suspect I don't get enough protein or calories first thing in the morning, so I've had a little break-thru hunger at night. I feel okay for the remainder of the day (balanced lunch, maybe an afternoon snack). Dinner is mixed. Last night I had yogurt and hummus and carrots/celery. Not exactly a rounded meal. Then I continued to snack mindlessly on the vegetable sticks for a couple of hours while I watched TV.
All of these behaviors are within my control right now. It is a matter of planning and being proactive. I admit that I am growing bored with my food choices, and I am taking the easy way out: I don't eat very much processed food, but I'm not being very creative, either.
So that's where I am. Owning it is often a first step in changing things. Thanks for listening.
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Good morning, all! I noticed that I have not received any notices about posts for a while, and my last entry was >10 days ago. Anybody here? This site holds me accountable to myself, so I need to check in.
One mind-boggling thing is that there are so many sites with so many theories and approaches, that I become a little overwhelmed. I was "called out" (too strong of a description but...) for identifying as a sugar addict. I mean, seriously? Does it matter? It affects me that way alcohol did, and I know I was addicted to that! Anyway, just blowing off a little steam to get it out of my system. Moving on.

I have not binged or had any refined sugar, but I notice some red flags. I have been having the same breakfast every day for weeks (2% Fage Greek yogurt and a cup of berries). I am growing bored. I need something simple--almost grab & go--for breakfast. I could boil eggs or make frittatas, I guess. I suspect I don't get enough protein or calories first thing in the morning, so I've had a little break-thru hunger at night. I feel okay for the remainder of the day (balanced lunch, maybe an afternoon snack). Dinner is mixed. Last night I had yogurt and hummus and carrots/celery. Not exactly a rounded meal. Then I continued to snack mindlessly on the vegetable sticks for a couple of hours while I watched TV.
All of these behaviors are within my control right now. It is a matter of planning and being proactive. I admit that I am growing bored with my food choices, and I am taking the easy way out: I don't eat very much processed food, but I'm not being very creative, either.
So that's where I am. Owning it is often a first step in changing things. Thanks for listening.
Hi Murrill! I'd love to recommend a book to you, on this subject, "Bright Line Eating: The Science of Living Happy, Thin and Free". First off, I'm not at all trying to sell you on a diet! (I had a cousin who was a Beachbody coach and I eventually just had to block her because she was so pushy, so please know I'm not like that.) The author struggled with drug and alcohol addiction before quitting, but became a binge eater during the recovery process. She did a ton of research (she's a neuroscientist, I believe) linking addiction with parts of the brain and explaining why we struggle.
So again, not trying to convince you to follow the plan, I'm just suggesting you might think about reading the first part (her story and research). Also, her food list is interesting, and it's taught me to be creative (like making a salad dressing out of sour cream and salsa).
I feel you about getting hungry at night. We have to eat like pounds of produce a day, so that helps fill the stomach. One thing about breakfast... we used to make egg casseroles, breakfast burritos, etc in large quantities and then freeze them and have them available when we needed a quick fix for breakfast. Is that an option? Eggs are a great source of protein but I have zero patience to cook them. I did get a thing you use to scramble eggs in the microwave, but I'm way more likely to do something less work (like oatmeal made with whole milk and a cheese stick, plus a banana or apple). Another thought- full fat yogurt is more robust (plus, what they do to milk products to make them lower fat strips a lot of natural goodness and injects sneaky sugars into what seems like a healthy food) and complete protein.
Last thing (this is a novel, sorry)- fats are really important (olive oil, butter- my obsession is Kerrygold) and your body reacts negatively to not having enough. I would just evaluate your daily eating and make sure you're getting enough (especially if your proteins are often reduced-fat). Even just adding peanut butter is an easy fix!
PS, your comment about being "called out"... people are crazy. I actually stay off the FB page for the diet I'm on, because the people are so trigger happy! You're not allowed to talk about foods that aren't diet-friendly, you literally have to say "NMF" (not my food) or people lose their MINDS. It's kind of ridiculous. Can you imagine going through the forums here and forcing everyone to replace words like "beer" with "NOT MY DRINK"???
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Thanks for the reply and the information. I have heard only a little about the Bright Line program. Does the book include food plans or lists? I believe I could benefit from some new ideas. I don't mean to whine, but I have significant depression. That means cognitive dulling: I'm kind of "flat" and unimaginative, and I get stuck in a food rut.
I like the idea of an egg casserole. I love to pull out frozen homemade leftovers; if it's homemade I know what is in it. I'm not afraid of fat--I use olive oil, sometimes butter, avocado. Sugar is my nemesis. I'm also a snacker, which is not compatible with mindfulness.
Someone said, regarding a binge, "You were looking for something." That is a very good point. My life took a dive about three years ago when I lost my job. It has been hard to find purpose since then
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Hi Murrill!

The book has the plan and the food list, but no recipes. I've really enjoyed it, to be honest... it seems restrictive when you first read about it (like only one carb a day in the morning until you reach your goal weight, etc, and no snacking, which is really tough before bed) but with seasonings, salsa, marinara sauce, etc, I've really eaten tremendously well. Like, grilled chicken parmesan on zoodles, that kind of thing. And lots of it is stuff I can pre-make and then customize (like crock pot chicken... then I can add salsa and guacamole, or make it italian style, or make a greek salad with feta and vinagrette). I have done some eating plans that bored the CRAP out of me or just made me feel queasy (plain chicken and sweet potatoes, day after day... no wonder i never stuck it out and that my eating got WORSE after!), and this one has given me so many options (and there are a ton of bloggers who have tackled meal ideas and recipes) that it really seems appealing in the long term. I've had a healthy-feeling loss of 21 pounds since January. My diet is so high fat, protein, and vegetable that I feel comfortable with the weight I lose... I never feel like I'm starving. I'm just talking about my experience, again, not trying to convince you to do it! Just wanted to again emphasize that. She says very adamantly, "Keep your eyes on your own plate!" because we all know (and have been, in my case) that person who was like, "Oh, you're eating THAT? You should have carrot sticks instead!" *stab stab stab* and because I know that we have to be careful here about making recommendations regarding someone else's health choices.
So, one thing about sugar (and one reason why I recommended the book to you)... she calls out the fact that as addicts and, frankly, humans in a busy age, our dopamine processors get flooded constantly and adapt to process higher levels (one reason why our tolerance rises). Additionally, our willpower gets depleted by everything, from checking emails to deciding meals. I know that sugary snacks and coffee are some things that people lean on in recovery, but I did think she had a valid point that actually feeling normal is being PREVENTED by sugar and caffeine (two substances that flood your dopamine processors and don't allow them to heal themselves). She commented (I loved this) that substance abuse is the constant cycle of the substance driving up dopamine and then having it crash down, down, down... addicts aren't trying to get HIGH, they're trying to just break even and feel normal.
So in this recovery process, granted it's taking time, but I got rid of sugar first (giving myself a few weeks to adjust) and then alcohol second (a month ago yesterday) and now I'm transitioning to decaf to eventually phase coffee out. I will be honest, it was tricky at first, but I feel better every day and have not really struggled with cravings like I thought I would (although I have taken steps to prevent being able to act on them if they do kick in, because we all have rough days). I've gradually lost the gnawing, anxious butterflies-in-my-stomach feeling that are how I experience cravings. And I've begun to realize after going to the grocery store that it never occurred to me to feel anxious while passing the wine section or the pizza. So I'm hoping my poor li'l receptors are starting to get the fact that I hopefully won't be working them overtime like I used to.
So anyway. Just some thoughts. Thanks for letting me babble.
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Lipstuck - Thank you for taking the time to reply to my message! I live on snacks some days so I'm not sure I would succeed on that plan.

Murrill, I hope things are turning around for you in a positive way.

I did get my A1C back today: 5.2%
I'm so so happy since I worked so so hard at not eating added/processed sugar.
The work paid off!!! This has taken me years to get it down this low. Need to maintain.

I eat a keto-like diet but I'm not totally strict - just try to eat as few carbs as I can handle. Except when it comes to veggies - I give myself free reign on those.

Sending you all positive vibes!
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I think some people make a mistake getting caught up in diets like Keto because it's not sustainable for most people. Cutting out processed carbs and sugars? Absolutely. But there's no reason to eliminate whole grains (you just have to read the labels very carefully). In fact, studies suggest that the liver needs whole grain carbs to function properly. Quinoa is excellent. No need to eliminate most fruit and their natural sugars (though if you're watching your liver, avoid tropical fruits). Nothing wrong with potatoes now and then.

I've read a lot about intermittent fasting, but most days I can't get all my eating in just an 8 hour window.
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