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Old 08-13-2011, 08:39 PM
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Uncle,
That kind of unconditional support for your son is great. I really hope things work out for him.

My folks were so busy, and both alcoholic, they missed every game, every match I played through school. My dad did show up in the second round of an amateur fight once when i was around 21. It must've helped; .....that big dude was faster than I thought (for the first two)

managed a KO in the 3rd !!! <whew>

I think those days are officially three lifetimes ago !?!
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Old 08-13-2011, 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by uncle holmes View Post
murray...You must have your form downpat.
Not quite. It was raining lightly during my last run and I got a "warm spot" on the front pad under my left toe. (Iced it an it didn't turn into a blister) I must be pushing off with that foot a bit still, instead of lifting it. That's one thing barefooting does well; if there are any form issues to fix you find out about them right away!

Best of luck with your son's meeting with the coach. Nice to be there for your kid when he needs you, eh?
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Murray -- yeah, but I don't do it barefoot Have yet to try the Vibrams outside... may not this year. Just because I'm a bit afraid to injure myself again before the marathon.... You're my hero in the barefoot arena!

Cool pic, Ghostly! Free non-alcoholic drinks... free is most excellent

Thanks for the nice words Top - sounds like you're doing good on being barefoot... walking is the best way to start...

UncleH... Glad you can be there for your son... during 'hard lesson' times. You're an inspiration with those workouts... you and Ghostly make my muscles ache just reading what you do!?!

TdC... Hope you had fun at your daughter's birthday. Pressed for time and still got your workout in... cool!

SJ - That's why I like running early in the morning... everything seems so peaceful - just waking up... quiet

Hi Everyone Else
Have a Super Sunday, my fellow Kickers!
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The master plan since starting barefooting has been that once I can run over 5K on a regular basis with no problem, then I'll put something on my feet to ramp things up.

I used to be a horrendous heal striker...way overextending my leg, then pushing off really high to gain the hight to get that foreleg so far out front again. It was a revelation to see video of really efficient running, and to feel the sensation of smoooooth running myself. I read a comment once from a competitor in a 100 mile race in the Rockies who said he was amazed to see Tarahumara's in tractor re-tread sandals running uphill like smoke on the steepest section of the course, and they had smiles on their faces! That's what I wanted to experience, really, really efficient joyful running.

Maybe in a week or so I'll put on my Invisible Shoe's Tarahumara styled running sandals, ease back on the distance for a while to see if it causes any problems, then I'll go for phase two...10K and beyond to who knows where
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Hi Guys......WOW... I went out of town for 7 hours last night and this board has been.... active. Did I forget to turn off the lights? What is going to happen next week when I am gone for 7 days?

Oh well. Rare weekend for me. Did my long Sunday bike ride on Saturday, and now Sunday, I'm in my office working for a few hours. Just 3 or 4 to get another project out of the way. It is easier for me to sit here and get it done than to have another excuse on Monday.

So with that in mind.... back to work.
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By the way......I told myself last night that I could sleep in this morning. Instead of my usual 5:30 AM, maybe 7. It is Sunday anyway...... 5:30, I was wide awake, so I put on my New Balances and did an animated 4 mile fast walk to get the remaining lactic acid out of my legs from yesterdays 70 mile bike ride before heading to the office. Just my contribution to K some A and keep the globe spinning.

Great day everyone..... It is a beautiful one here again.
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Old 08-14-2011, 11:30 AM
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Uncle - Hop things go well with your son. Like others, I'll echo it's good you are there for him. I worry about dealing with those things with my daughter when she's older. I just want to be smart and strong enough to make the right decisions. Nice work out.

Awesome job Top. That sounds so cool and relaxing. What is the "Sound" though?

Tom - Good walk early riser!

Jennie - Glad you got the walk too. Hope the time at the park went well and was quiet with your boyfriend.

Today my wife took the baby and our rat terrier some place. I took the lab to the dog park. Got about 45 minutes of walking there. Before we had the terrier I used to take the lab to the dog park, but not now. The terrier doesn't get along with other dogs well, and would flip if he knew I took the lab if he was left home. So we rely on the fenced in back yard for them to get exercise. Was glad I took the lab today though. She loved it and was smiling and running around.
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Old 08-14-2011, 06:03 PM
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R4R great job in that 17.

Off day today, just a short walk. I snapped some pics of my bridge, it's really coming along.

Of all things I now have sore shoulders from a 15-min mall chair massage. I was squirming in that chair, the Chinese masseuse guys really dig in with the elbows.

Yay Ghost for being a designated driver!
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Old 08-14-2011, 07:12 PM
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Edit: The following is just a rant, please ignore if you don't care to read. No need to respond. I will get over this.
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I've been sitting here just starring at the computer screen for a while not knowing how to feel. I'm in a very strange emotional place right now because of alcohol. Not me. My sobriety is intact. 48 hours from now we are flying to Michigan to take my son to start his collegiate career. He decided for the first time ever to have a party at our home. He is a very popular kid with lots of friends and is always doing something with them, but never here at home.

Last week we went to Costco to get some supplies for his "going away" party. We were walking out and my wife asked me to go back and pick up a bottle of tequila and margarita mix. What? She and him had discussed it, without me, and had decided that it was OK to make light drinks. I was floored but did not want to make a scene so I grabbed them and put them in the cart. It was very strange for me to walk from one side of Costco to the other with a 1.75 of tequila.

When we got home, I expressed to my wife my very strong concern that 18 year olds should not be enabled to drink and that I don't feel comfortable serving booze in my house to minors, some of whom will be driving home. She said that she was going to monitor the drinking, make the margaritas very light herself and that we would cut off the booze after a certain hour.

My son is very responsible. His friend (the ones that I know) are very responsible hard working kids. I have provided him with drinks in the past (when I was drinking) at parties and at a couple of weddings because I did not want him to grow up doing things behind my back. Might as well expose him to it slowly in a controlled situation.

There are 20 to 25 kids downstairs right now. We have been delegated to the upstairs. The problem is that I did maintain a small amount of alcohol in my house (half full bottles each of vodka, scotch and rum from my drinking days). I really don't have any interest in drinking, but I kept them out of sight and have used them to offer drinks to company a couple of times recently. It really never bother me to have them here, but he took the bottles of vodka and rum and put them in the freezer this morning, without me knowing about it, and took them out as the first of his friends were arriving.

I am shocked to the point that I don't know what to do right now. Next week, the moment he checks into the university, he will be on his own. There is no reason to castigate him. He has not done anything really wrong. I just feel sort of violated and that I should do or say something but don't know what. Part of me is very happy that he is growing up to be great person and face the world on his own. He is ready. But I can't hold him back just because I have a troubled relationship with booze. He knows that.

Please excuse me for this rant, this should be a happy occasion, but I am not too happy right now, so I just thought it would be better to come up here and think out my emotions first than to go downstairs and overreact.
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Old 08-14-2011, 07:56 PM
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Wow,

Tom, ....Is the legal age in Ca. 18 ?

Just wondering about the obvious liability issues there ?

I never dreamed they'd change the age to 21, but that's the legal requirement around here these days.

At this point, with the party going on, is to just make it crystal clear your willingness to give anyone a ride.

...will check back;

work calling (imagine that !?! )
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Old 08-14-2011, 08:09 PM
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Tom, I meet be missing the point of why you're upset, and this is none of my business, but I do have a couple thoughts...

You are right to be upset.


It is one thing to sit down with your kid and have some drinks. Many reasons (some ok, some bad) why people do this. It is another to give drinks to someone else's child, even an 18 year old. I know it happens all the time, but bad things happen from it too. Bad idea.

Also, just seems to me, without knowing more, that it was inconsiderate of your wife to make these plans without your input.

Hang in there brother. At this point it's kinda late to do much about it. Take some breaths before you address this. I can tell you are really pissed.

Keep us posted.
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Old 08-14-2011, 08:13 PM
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At this point, with the party going on, is to just make it crystal clear your willingness to give anyone a ride.
...and / or pay for taxi's. Wouldn't want an insurance company lawyer finding out a minor was served alcohol in my house, then got behind the wheel and into a car accident.

Too bad you got blindsided. Hope the evening turns out okay, and that nobody gets plastered. (Chances are somebody will, because if I was there and 18 I would have swilled what was offered, snuck somebody else's portion, then swilled the extra booze I smuggled into in the party).

Whichever way it goes, it'll be a learning experience for your son.
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Thanks.... I went downstairs a few minute ago and it seem like things are in control, but the idea that some of the kids will be driving home really bothers me. I don't want to enable that.

A couple of kids walked in, gave my son a hug, and he immediately asked them "Hey, can I get you a drink?" I think he is just trying to act older than his 18 years. They are not all drinking. Just him and a couple others.

I am going to go downstairs and remove the booze shortly.

Thanks again.
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(((((((Tom))))))

I'm glad you came here and vented. I hope you're checking in on occasion just to see how very much we are concerned for you.

Nothing more I can add to what has already been voice. We care.

Editing after I read your last post: I think removing the booze after a bit of time is a good idea. They had their party.
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Old 08-14-2011, 08:35 PM
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topspin, good job with the walk for several miles while barefoot. I didn't know you used to be an an amateur fighter. Interesting.

murray, glad that warm spot under your big toe didn't turn into a blister. Wishing you luck to some day reach phase two of your running.

mygrandfather, sounds like you got one heck of a massage. As murray once said when he got that deep tissue foot massage for pf, "ouchie mama".

tom, good job with the 70 mile bike ride on Saturday. Good job with the 4 mile speed walk at 5:30 AM. I was hoping you'd find one of those slow joggers like you did that one time and pass them while you're speed walking.

As far as your son's party downstairs, I'm not sure there's much you can do right now as you already gave them permission to have that party and drink. The most you can do is probably make sure none of them gets too drunk and get in a car and drive.

What I do is not allow any alcohol in our home. It's been that way ever since I sobered up 19 years ago and everyone in our home understands that. My wife supports me 100% about this policy and my kids just know that there will never be drinking in our house or on our property (backyard).

I'll go to other people's homes and they can drink all they want, just not in my house. My sobriety has to come before anything. I'm not saying you should do this. I know recovering alcoholics who do it both ways. Just saying this is what works best for me and my sobriety.

Got 15 minutes of cardio in and added HIIT to it.

Warmed up for the first five minutes with a speed walk and then a slow/medium jog.

After the warm up, 30 second all out sprints followed by 90-120 second slow jogs for the next ten minutes. I think I ended up doing five rounds of 30 second all out sprints.

I worked up a good sweat and my heart was pumping fast to work my "inner organs" that tom was talking about. I could feel the blood circulating throughout my body and into my brain. I could feel that it was doing my body good.

I stretched out my whole body for 20 minutes afterwards for flexibility.

I've been neglecting cardio and think it is important for me to get it in at least once a week, as my workouts mainly consists of strength training with the weights and stretching for flexibility.

Fitness deals with three categories: resistance training, cardio, and flexibility. To the greater extent you do all three, the better overall fitness one will have. I do the resistance and flexibility, now I just got to add a little cardio.
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Old 08-14-2011, 09:35 PM
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Tom, I meet be missing the point of why you're upset, and this is none of my business, but I do have a couple thoughts...

You are right to be upset.


It is one thing to sit down with your kid and have some drinks. Many reasons (some ok, some bad) why people do this. It is another to give drinks to someone else's child, even an 18 year old. I know it happens all the time, but bad things happen from it too. Bad idea.

Also, just seems to me, without knowing more, that it was inconsiderate of your wife to make these plans without your input.

Hang in there brother. At this point it's kinda late to do much about it. Take some breaths before you address this. I can tell you are really pissed.

Keep us posted.
Ghostly, I was thinking the same thing. Around here the police warn people in the newspapers that the parents will be charged if there's any minors drinking in their homes. Years ago I think it was more tolerable. Now they go after the parents.

As far as tom's wife planning to serve alcohol without tom knowing - I think is more of a mis-communication. Tom seems like a social guy and the allowing of alcohol issue has been this way all along. Now all of a sudden the dynamics change as tom quit drinking. It's something that all recovering alcoholics have to go through. The social part can be a real bugger.

As I mentioned earlier, if it were me I would first tell my wife that I love her. Then I would have a nice talk with my wife and not allow alcohol in the house - period. I would explain my concerns about my own sobriety and not have to worry about minors drinking in the house.

I would ask my wife to support me on this because I don't want to take a chance of ever drinking again or have monors drinking in the house, leaving me liable. This would safeguard tom to ever have to go through this again.

Of course this wasn't as much of an issue for me because my wife hardly ever drinks and supported my sobriety from the get go.

Tom, if you're reading this, I'm only saying this because I'm looking out for you and giving my opinion on what's best for you and your sobriety.
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Allright Uncle,
Good job on the cardio !!

( now I just need to get started with a fraction of what you , Ghostly, and Tom do for strength )

I only had 3 amateur fights ....that's all it took to realize I just didn't have a "killer instinct" Really, just got interested initially like a geek. Went to the bookstore and bought a how-to book on Boxing after some biker scared me half to death with threats one night in Denver.

joined the YMCA, used their equipment, and worked out with some older guys who used to Box. Later, a trainer asked me to come to a gym and try working out with some guys going pro. Our trainer, Ray had 137 pro fights. He was a real piece of work !

All I ever did in Denver was get instruction on developing form and technique,
...... and spar everyday with those guys.

I've always been an anti-war pacifist, so it's kind of wierd I got involved with that at all really. The only way to explain it, .....it must have had to do with witnessing domestic violence growing up ( and how I hate bullying )

or maybe some right of passage hoping to never be paralyzed with fear like I was that night in Denver


Tom,
I'm glad you're not in the middle of breaking up a Rave !?!

Seriously, I really hope everything will work out before he heads off to Mi.


Something I've been meaning to ask,
....you mentioned a month or two ago about being naturalized ( I think that's the term !?)

Where are you from originally ?


Ghostly , ...A "Sound" is like a big Bay off the ocean. The beach down from me is the beginning of the Calibogue Sound. I face St. Helena Island just 3 miles N across that water, with the Atlantic out to the right ( East )
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Around here the police warn people in the newspapers that the parents will be charged if there's any minors drinking in their homes. Years ago I think it was more tolerable. Now they go after the parents.

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Yea, this is the kind of general thing I hear about too. The liability issue can be a real deal breaker.

Tom's an architect, a creative dude. Thinking about litigious probabilities involving your son's going away party can be a bummer.

TDC, It's damn good you're sober tonight; ....that's for sure !!??!!
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Thanks guys...... I've been working on myself for the past 10 months. Managed to take care of my own end and I think I have done a fairly good job at keeping my balance, but today just threw me overboard.

I have suffered so much over the decades because of my alcoholism that it really pains me to see those close to me suffer. I know, I know....having a couple of drinks does not turn one into an alcoholic, but it hit me with both of my kids at the same time.

My daughter was taken out by some friends for lunch yesterday because of her 21st B-D Friday and they bought her her first legal martini over lunch. She survived it.

I think I am being overprotective, but like I said before, you got to cut the rope and let them live their own lives.

Tomorrow will be a different day.
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Congratulations on your "cardio" workout UH. One of my biggest motivators for getting fit goes all the way back to 9/11. My alcoholism was at a peak (one of many) then and I was grossly overweight (+90lbs). I saw those buildings come down on TV and as I saw all the people running away on the street of NYC from the site, it occurred to me that if it was me there, I would not have been able to get out of my own way. I knew then that I had to do something about my fitness to save my own life some day. Unfortunately it took me many years to do so. To me, fitness is not just looking good at the beach.

Good luck with your son and his talk with the coaches. I know all about politics and I hate favoritism. I am all about communication, but unfortunately at the high school level, you are not exactly dealing with the most sophisticated people managers and "speaking his mind" may not necessarily get him anywhere.

So Top was a boxer? Never would have guessed. Even tough I tried to be there for my kids when they were younger physically, I was not there emotionally so often because it was more important for me to get loaded. I'm glad your Dad go to see you knock the whatzonias out of the other guy. Any thing else we should know about you Mr. Top?

Thanks again for all your support. It has been a very long day....... Later.
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TDC, It's damn good you're sober tonight; ....that's for sure !!??!!
Amen to that......
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Good morning, my dear friends.

Tom, today is a new day. And, I'm sure you will take what you have learned and move forward. Imo...I think it hit hard because it does involve your kids. You see exactly what alcohol did to you and what it can do to your kids.

My family drinks. Way. Too. Much. Not a thing I can do, is there. Makes me sick. I think of all the things....well, you guys know, don't you?! Preaching to the choir, here.

You love your family and want the best for them. I think you are giving it to them in your sobriety. They see how you have changed and grown.

Top, never would have taken you for a fighter, either! Heavens! Next thing we'll learn is that Ghost drives a motorcycle with spike in the helmet. As I sit here....sure hope thats a politically correct thing to torture Ghost with. You all know I wouldn't say something mean.....on purpose.

It's moments like these that make me really appreciate what I have at SR. You guys really are the best. Take care, all.
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Wow, TdC... sorry I wasn't on here last night. I pretty much would've echoed what everyone else had said anyway... I didn't mind reading it either - glad you were able to get on here and vent. We all need each other - sometimes more than other times. Let us know how things went... and hope you got a good night's sleep.

Judy -- How are you?

Nothing here yesterday... resting. A little sore on my left foot (arch) and on top of my right foot?? So, didn't do anything this morning either (raining like crazy anyway)... might get on exercise bike or elliptical after work to get something in besides my stretches and other exercises.
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