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Old 05-26-2015, 07:43 PM
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Yes, there's an old saying, we use it a lot at my work place these days "The dogs bark but the caravan rolls on". Alternating with "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead".
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Old 05-26-2015, 07:48 PM
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Thanks Least.

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Old 05-26-2015, 07:56 PM
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Thank you Dee for the User CP information.

I think it would be nice if the newsletter was posted on the SR site, allowing people the opportunity to read it when they're comfortably logged on.
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Old 05-26-2015, 08:06 PM
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Emily, will you please confirm that unchecking the "receive emails from administrators" option in one's User Profile will prevent ever receiving the newsletter?

Dee, if someone started a thread about this new feature on SR on Newcomers would it be removed? I just look at forums by New Posts, but a lot of people only go to Newcomers. If it would be removed from Newcomers, would it be allowed to distribute the info on Alcoholics & F& F?
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Old 05-26-2015, 08:09 PM
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I get tons of disgusting spam. I delete it. I don't have a problem with the newsletter myself, but I can understand others who might. People have a right to not want it.... BUT...

Truth be told, anyone who hasn't opted out of mailing already gets SR birthday wishes every year. I don't see how this is any different. Just one extra email that can easily be unsubscribed from.

And on the flipside of that - it is unsolicited spam. It's easy enough to advertise and have people sign up if they want it. I noticed a lot more ads since the new layout, so I'm not too surprised this is happening. Don't think there's anything wrong with making money off of blogs or a website, but I'm not really keen on forcing things on anyone.

My jury is deliberating...
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Old 05-26-2015, 08:13 PM
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Emily's asked that I direct people to this thread, Courage.

I think that makes sense as only Emily can answer concerns on this, and it's unwieldy to have several threads across each forum.

I can direct people to this thread in my forums and I'm guessing the FF guys will do the same.

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Old 05-26-2015, 08:19 PM
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I think we do have a valid concern regarding anonymity and privacy.
If people who opted out of getting notifications don't get it then it's all good.
If they do, then it raises some serious ethical issues especially considering the somewhat sensitive nature of this forum.

What needs to be clarified is whether all SR members will receive the first newsletter whether or not they opted out of receiving email notifications
All of the active members of the forum will receive the newsletter at the email address they used to register with SR, but if you don't want to continue to receive the newsletter all you have to do is click "Unsubscribe" and you'll be permanently taken off the list.
Personally, receiving the newsletter is not a problem and some of it (aside from the ads from the sponsors) might be interesting.
I receive emails from WFS and Soberistas too buuuttt I signed up for them explicitly. They just did not start sending me emails out of the blue without regards for my potential safety or my privacy.
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Old 05-26-2015, 08:26 PM
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I don't really care as I used my "junk" email address to register and my story is far from private in my circles.
I do think it's really crappy to mass email this to people seeking support on very private issues. It's very common for people to snoop others emails. I'm assuming this will probably contain advertising content as nothing is sacred when the almighty buck is concerned.
Well, I guess if you don't already know that there is no privacy on the internet, you've been living under a rock.
Hope no one is done any real harm.
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Old 05-26-2015, 08:36 PM
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I won't comment on this new policy outside this thread, but I think it's wrong-headed.

1) It intrudes on a justifiable expectation of privacy. Some members have been using this forum for years. Simply, they didn't sign up for this. No full informed consent.

2) It shows a disrespect for forum members as individuals. If people could choose whether or not to receive the newsletter, those who wanted it, would simply say "yes". Instead, the business behind the forum puts those of us who don't want the literature in the position of either having to do a negative (if minor) thing, or else have something we don't want foisted on us. What's the point? To maximize distribution of promotional materials that will no doubt contain advertising and will also do considerable implicit advertising of the entire "recovery" industry, which is looking more and more disreputable to me -- and I'm not alone in this -- by the minute.

I'm very disappointed in what I'm learning about the business behind this forum, which I've loved, and I'm somewhat saddened by the way it's affecting my communications within the forum community.

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Old 05-26-2015, 08:43 PM
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I really recommend that anyone thinking their email addy is sensitive to change it.

You can do it yourself by going to user CP and ''edit your details''.

I have a ***** account dedicated to SR. I've had it 4 or 5 years now. Its never been spammed.

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Old 05-26-2015, 08:52 PM
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Dee, thanks again for this and for all you do for us.

you work so hard to keep all of us safe!

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Old 05-26-2015, 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Dee74 View Post
I really recommend that anyone thinking their email addy is sensitive to change it.

You can do it yourself by going to user CP and ''edit your details''.

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I agree Dee. I just wish the information was in the two forums where the most potentially vulnerable folks are at: Newcomers and F&F instead of being hidden in a part of SR that people seldom visit.
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Old 05-26-2015, 11:50 PM
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Keep in mind that none of the FF mods are online, or have been online for most of this thread, Carlotta.

If you feel strongly there should be notices there maybe canvass them directly?

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Old 05-27-2015, 02:30 AM
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Originally Posted by courage2 View Post
2) It shows a disrespect for forum members as individuals. If people could choose whether or not to receive the newsletter, those who wanted it, would simply say "yes". Instead, the business behind the forum puts those of us who don't want the literature in the position of either having to do a negative (if minor) thing, or else have something we don't want foisted on us. What's the point? To maximize distribution of promotional materials that will no doubt contain advertising and will also do considerable implicit advertising of the entire "recovery" industry, which is looking more and more disreputable to me -- and I'm not alone in this -- by the minute.
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I'm in agreement here. What's especially starting to irk me now, after thinking about this a bit, is the fact that it's pretty clear that many members here DON'T want this as a mass emailing... yet it doesn't matter. It's going to happen. Must be because something else is more important now than the welfare and/or choices of the members. How is that OK?
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Old 05-27-2015, 04:29 AM
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With all due respect to those who manage this site so wonderfully to keep it up and running for all of us...and as a member here for over 13 years...I too think this is not a good idea and infringes on the privacy members have come to expect from this site.

I agree with Carlotta, there are many on the FF forums who may be in danger of being discovered here, and therefore would be in physical danger if they received such a newsletter. Those who are unaware that the newsletter is being sent to everyone may not be able to change their profiles to stop it from coming to them in time.

Please reconsider and allow this to be an option with members. The good of many is not worth the harm (or worse) of one.
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Old 05-27-2015, 06:29 AM
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It seems the feedback on this newsletter is overwhelmingly negative. I hope the content team will consider this before they send it out.
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I won't comment on this new policy outside this thread, but I think it's wrong-headed.

1) It intrudes on a justifiable expectation of privacy. Some members have been using this forum for years. Simply, they didn't sign up for this. No full informed consent.

2) It shows a disrespect for forum members as individuals. If people could choose whether or not to receive the newsletter, those who wanted it, would simply say "yes". Instead, the business behind the forum puts those of us who don't want the literature in the position of either having to do a negative (if minor) thing, or else have something we don't want foisted on us. What's the point? To maximize distribution of promotional materials that will no doubt contain advertising and will also do considerable implicit advertising of the entire "recovery" industry, which is looking more and more disreputable to me -- and I'm not alone in this -- by the minute.

I'm very disappointed in what I'm learning about the business behind this forum, which I've loved, and I'm somewhat saddened by the way it's affecting my communications within the forum community.


I'll second this.

I'm seriously considering finding a forum that is ran and supported by members rather than as part of a company site that is using my posts to attract visitors and thus gain advertising revenue. Truth is there are plenty of places that provide all the tools to start a forum for free. Or I've thought about just moving on and not participating on a recovery site at all at this point.

Truthfully, I feel as though I have more to say, but should probably just keep it to myself.
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Old 05-27-2015, 07:09 AM
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I personally don't think that sending the email automatically is a good idea and it's something I'd rather not get.

Having said that, assuming the decision has already been made - I would like to strongly, strongly suggest that there is NO mention of usernames in the email.

Eg Hi Koalabear etc.
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