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Old 07-09-2017, 03:15 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I was fortunate enough to find some AA meetings that focus on God.
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Old 03-23-2018, 11:59 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Your statement that "accepting Jesus as, my Savior didn't keep me sober" truly makes no sense. We Christians are new creations and the Son sets us free. I don't mean to disparage but the idea that the aa program got you sober and Jesus didn't is really bewildering.

A life with Christ breaks the chains of addiction. It has to because He promised it would. I experienced that amazing power. Everyone needs to. It goes beyond sobriety, it takes you to peace and salvation.

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I became a Christian in 1983 while doing time...I did not believe before that time. I had been a vegetarian prior to that and had been involved in yoga and meditation. I believed in some sort of Universal Thing, but not to the point of turning my life over to it. Accepting Jesus as my Savior did not keep me sober. I had been in and out of AA since 1974 but with no sticking Power. The problem was with free will. Free will allowed me to believe in Jesus and the finished work of the Cross, but not apply it to my life for change. Fifteen years after becoming a Christian I finally turned my will and my life over to my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ....I was able to do this by honestly working the 12 Steps of AA.

I see many people who are saved but continue to get drunk and are in and out of the program. I need to hear from the old timers in AA and especially from the newcomers. I need a place to share my experience, strength and hope with someone and AA is that place. It takes both AA and Church for me. The Principles of AA are all found in the Bible.

AA has it roots in Oxford Group, a Christian organization from early in the 1900's. At one time the founders of AA thought of calling the fellowship "The Society of James" from the book of James.

Thanks for letting me share. God is doing for me what I could not do for myself.

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Old 04-09-2018, 12:00 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I would say Jesus, because I only went to a couple of AA meetings. I just found that once I said "enough" - that was it. No cravings. I didn't count days, except maybe once in a blue moon. I'm not knocking anyone who uses AA and I've even asked myself if I was an alcoholic at all, or if I was just drinking alongside my husband because "if you can't beat them, join them". (That did NOT work - - like the Bible says, alcohol only causes fights, arguments, unknown bruises and bloodshot eyes...and headaches.) I love the way I feel now and I am closer to God than I have ever been. I can also deal with my AH way better now, because I am in control of my emotions.
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Old 04-12-2018, 05:12 PM   #24 (permalink)
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AA brought me to God (and it just so happened that a Christian God was my own personal conception). But I needed both to get sober and truly recover. It wasn't enough for me to just not drink. I needed a spiritual solution.

AA without God would've been like joining a baseball team, but sitting the whole season on the bench and never actually experience playing.

God without AA would've turned me into a controlling, manipulative, resentful, self-centered religious freak. This is what happened to my sibling. She never did the step work to see her character defense mechanisms, thinking, and reactions to life. But she uses religion to control others and to be righteous and judgemental.
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I have found AA dogmatic in some areas with little room for free and interactive commentaries.
As for Jesus, well He did turn the water into wine, not a really good precedent.

I think painful experience and willingness to listen to diverse opinions helped me most in gaining sobriety, which as AA does point out is a day by day thing.
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Old 04-13-2018, 03:34 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Both! I got and stay sober in AA and Jesus is my Higher Power, my Lord, forgiver, and savior.

I was not a believer when I "came to" in AA, and early on I tried Celebrate Recovery too. I felt like I was lying when I spoke of Jesus though, so I dug into AA and took the 12 Steps. After five years of sobriety I realized that something very critical and deep was missing from my life, and the answer was obvious. The comfort and strength I receive from having a relationship with Christ is the greatest gift I've ever had.
Foregiveness and empowerment are important concepts.
If we try to rationalize too much within a secular framework we
seem to miss the bus. Belief as opposed to 'knowing' I see as difficult but highly worthwhile,
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Old 04-13-2018, 04:06 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Really, the question is what got you sober......As for me I only speak in present tense - currently I am receiving the sustenance needed thus far for today to blow 0.00
Wow, who was the condescending arse hat that penned this!?

AA brings me towards the light and opened up the door to spirituality. A friend suggested I knew of God but did not know God when I came into the rooms. Of course I was offended by this at the time, but he was correct.

AA's roots drew from both religion and medicine as other programs appear to do so as well. The unique feature of AA is one alcoholic helping another. Remarkable.

Bill W stated AA was spiritual kindergarten. That's good, cause I needed to repeat a bunch of classes I apparently missed. The tenant of AA - God could and would if He were sought - is my experience, today.

I am in the both category and remember that it is Unity, Service and Recovery that makes the sober stew. God is the cook!
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As for Jesus, well He did turn the water into wine, not a really good precedent.
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that depends on how that act is viewed. set a great precedent when the rest of the story is known.
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Which got you sober?
AA. i wasnt a christain and wanted absolutely nothing to do with any God of the bible when i got into AA. buggered me up pretty good when i heard at a meeting:
"AA is a sneaky way into christianity."
nope.nada. noway.
eventually i opened a bible to read.
[B]i didnt burt into flames!!![/B
i was amazed to find the program through the 4 gospels.
which led me to Christ.
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May 6 2017 was my last drink. I have not been to an AA meeting, not saying I won't go, just haven't gone yet. I believe that God is helping me stay sober, I try to pray to him everyday and ask him to be with me and give me the support to stay sober, I also thank him for helping me stay sober today. I also think that it was Gods hand that helped me find SR.
I suppose it depends on how we attempt to evaluate God.
I rather like 'the God of our own understanding' AA view.
The hard liners of all persuasions see their way as the right way.
If we are genuine we can only follow ethical convictions
as best we can.
To blindly follow others hardly seems moral................
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that depends on how that act is viewed. set a great precedent when the rest of the story is known.
As I understand it,not from a Calvinistic perspective, the story is very much still in transit.
The OT and NT consist of close to 1/2 a million words so I see literalism as a definite problem.
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Do you identify as a Christian, Bubovski?
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Do you identify as a Christian, Bubovski?
I don't think this person is a Christian. In AA I have found those who possibly have been hurt by the church (buildings not a group of believers as in the NT), some seem to want to disagree and as a result cause strife.

Christ said not to judge others, that we would be judged by the same measurement....what I look for are the Fruits of the Holy Spirit being manifest in the lives of believers...can't find too many in what Bub has to say....just my opinion and you know what they say about opinions. "They are like elbows, everyone has a couple"...is that how it goes?
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I don't think this person is a Christian. In AA I have found those who possibly have been hurt by the church (buildings not a group of believers as in the NT), some seem to want to disagree and as a result cause strife.

Christ said not to judge others, that we would be judged by the same measurement....what I look for are the Fruits of the Holy Spirit being manifest in the lives of believers...can't find too many in what Bub has to say....just my opinion and you know what they say about opinions. "They are like elbows, everyone has a couple"...is that how it goes?

I can answer for myself Toad.
I consider myself a secular and spiritual ponderer.
As there are thousands of Christian groups all claiming the right guidance
the question is a bit like 'how long is a piece of string'.
I attempt to be a reasonably decent person and that includes reading
from spiritual books, including Christianity.
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Suppose I would - given the choice - follow people who were alive and indeed existed. I work on evidence. But I dont do either. I form opinions and value the experiences of others - but my mind is my own. Always knowing of course that the monkey cant lie as it does not have the ability. Humans can - so tread carefully out there.
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What a thought provoking question. I have tried to get sober on my own, not much success. Sober 5 1/2 years in NA., relapsed thinking my addiction was manageable, not so much. Sober 5 1/2 years in AA. Did the same thing. Now sober 104 days. Always went to church, believed in Jesus but didn't stay sober. Am back in AA and SR now. To me it is about relationship. To letting others help me and me helping others. Same for God, a relationship that I need to do my part to keep the relationship alive on a daily basis through prayer and doing the work that needs to be done. That is Christ to me, in me and through me. When we seek we find. It is a mystery that I now look at as infinitely knowable. Am grateful for so much good discourse, sobriety, and a God that will not be controlled by our actions and whose love is everything. Peace!
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For me personally the two go hand in hand.

My favourite part of the bible is the Sermon on the Mount, and in particular the beatitudes. Jesus gave us some pretty good instructions there. He's told us what God wants us to do. When I look at the AA 12-Steps these give me the extra guide to following those instructions in my recovery that THIS alcoholic needs. The 12-steps really do fit in with the beatitudes.

I think it isn't surprising that for many following the steps (thoroughly) is what brings them to faith. If you're walking Jesus' path every day, you're likely to keep meeting him, and each time is a new opportunity to recognise him.

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In examining faith with our intellects alone, Christianity can look far-fetched to the point of absurdity.

Faith in Jesus Christ as our Lord, God, and Savior is borne first in our hearts and spirits. Often only thereafter do the pieces fall into place intellectually.

Those who have not “jumped off the high dive” and submitted their lives to him on a personal level usually cannot the imagine the difference that it makes in peace of and motivation to leave futile, sinful ways behind.

I can testify that Christ has the power to transform lives.

A mere surface reading of his earthly work—for instance, compassion for the socioeconomic poor, has no power to transform.

Transforming power comes when we realize that we are the poor he came to save, in all of our forms of degradation (like alcoholism).
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Transforming power comes when we realize that we are the poor he came to save, in all of our forms of degradation (like alcoholism).
And we are blessed.

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