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Old 02-07-2018, 11:20 PM
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Ambiguous Loss

I learned this term today. It’s when a person is gone, but not actually gone. They’re gone in mind but not in body. They’re gone in body, but not actually dead. Or they are missing. The point is, it’s ambiguous. They are ambiguously ....gone.

I’ve been trying to put a name to this new chapter or categorize it into something sensible. Something my brain understands. I want to move on. I’m trying. Tricking my brain. But late at night when all the noise is off I am haunted. No ideas of where or what happened to someone so inconsistently consistent. So predictable. Suddenly not predictable at all. How do we move on from ambiguous loss? How to we forge ahead with not being able to settle? No answers. A normal 10 day dissspearance now nearly a single month gone. Nobody to ask. Just gone. No phone. Like they left the earth. No noise.

I’m curious if anyone out there has experienced this where they just left one day on a binge and never came back. How did you move on not knowing? I often wonder if it’s best to assume death. To pretend even. That would be the ultimate result. The worst it could be. If you grieve it as death, it’s tangible and therefore ambiguity is gone. There is a beginning and an end. Thoughts? I’m starting to think this may be helpful for me.
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Smarie, I know what this feels like. I don't have any answers except to say that what I have been telling myself, is that they have chosen their path. This is what they wanted. This is the way they are choosing to live or die. Some might say that when the addiction progresses to a certain point, they no longer have choice; however, I think that there was a point where they still had a choice -- before the addiction became everything in their lives. But at that point, they still chose to continue drinking or drugging... at least, this is what happened to my husband. So in my opinion, it's a choice. As is sobriety. It's something you have to struggle with every day. You wake up every day and fill your life with things other than drinking/drugging. That's a choice too.

I feel terribly sad sometimes, and very helpless. I feel that the relationships we have with our troubled loved ones is terribly unfair. Friends and family of addicts have to suffer ambiguous loss. For the addict, there is nothing ambiguous about continuing to drink or drug... and there is nothing ambiguous about their disappearance. They don't want you to know what they are doing... because you can be assured that it's probably not winning a tennis match. I guess we have to respect that.
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How did you move on not knowing?

The first time my exah did this was when I was in hospital having our twins. He never showed and wasn't at home. My parents kept this information from me cos they knew I'd worry and cared for our other kids until he turned up. As my twins were prem he got home before I did so I was none the wiser.

However he did it again...he'd go off to do a "job" for someone in a town miles away and drop off the radar for days or even weeks. Call me slow but I genuinely thought he was busy working and he's never been one for keeping his cell charged. Fast forward to now we are apart he regularly drops off the radar and we don't hear from him for months and months. Even the rehab he was in didn't realise this silence from him and ignoring texts is cos he is drinking. At Christmas they phone me all worried and was quite surprised by me, "Oh yeah he'll be on the lash again." ( he was).

I can't tell you how I got to it but I no longer give two hoots. I used to dread a cop at the door saying they found him after weeks and weeks rotting in his house or the hospital phoning to say he was dead but I don't anymore. Why? He's a selfish man who has chosen how he lives. I chose to be no longer involved in his chaos. As your self esteem improves you will sit and think about the things you did to enable your ex , keep him onside and be pleased with the crumbs they throw us now and then to give us false hope and you will cringe thinking "Was I really that person?" ((hugs)) It does get easier.
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[QUOTE=Smarie78;6778523I But late at night when all the noise is off I am haunted. No ideas of where or what happened to someone so inconsistently consistent. So predictable. Suddenly not predictable at all. How do we move on from ambiguous loss? How to we forge ahead with not being able to settle? No answers. A normal 10 day dissspearance now nearly a single month gone. Nobody to ask. Just gone. No phone. Like they left the earth. No noise. [/QUOTE]

Hello Smarie,
I am so sorry you are going through this, I have been through it so many times with my ABF in 3 years we have been together.
I would think of the little things people would say sometimes like, "God takes care of drunks," and then I would think of all the alcoholics I've seen survive things I could barely perceive.
Mostly I would block it out of my mind knowing I was powerless.
My friend described it as this computer program that's always running in the background. This ominous feeling, empty and scary. I would have trouble reaching out to people because of judgement but it sounds like you are reaching out.
I also had AA friends who would look for him and text me sometimes but eventually those ran slim.
Build up support and don't isolate. There are many people who have been through this on both sides and hearing there experience, strength and hope helps.
One time I got brave and went to an al-anon meeting and actually told the group that my ABF relapsed and since my son was home he could not come home with me. He ended up sleeping behind a dumpster that night and don't think I wasn't worried and uncomfortable all night but the next day I saw him and he was okay!
Stay connected, it's a WE program.
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Smarie....I can remember in one of my psychology courses...this sort of thing being discussed..."ambiguous loss".....It was a long time, ago, so I just remember some general concepts....
I think it was under the discussion of "Crisis"---types of crisis that can happen in a family....
It went something like this---That in our personal world, people have a certain "position", in relation to us...or, to each other in a family...That, when this position is interrupted or held in question...it causes extreme anxiety and stress. It happens when a member of the family is lost...cannot be located for some reason....or, during estrangement of a family member....or, even a breakup without any warning or "closure"....
It is definitely a real thing. And it is described as anxiety. at a crisis proportion, for those who feel it....
Along those lines, I remember talking to a psychologist who worked for homeland security...she went to disaster situations to work with families ...like Hurricane Katrina...She said that this was common to the victims' families...with people displaced, missing, or maybe lost for good....It is very painful and cannot be easily just put aside.....
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Actually, this happens more than we likely realize.

One of my school chums had her father disappear when she was 9 or 10. His family never heard from him again. We can file a missing person report and all, but the fact is, if someone wants to walk away from his/her life, and leave loved ones behind, it isn't against the law. In my friend's case, her mother eventually had him declared dead. The social security helped with the children's college expenses. There was a local businessman who disappeared in our area years ago. He was found half-way across the country, brought back, and almost immediately left again. He had a popular business. I can only imagine how many average, anonymous people whose families aren't media-savvy walk away, never to be heard from. Before Facebook, internet, etc., how would a family efficiently get the word out anyway? My friend's father disappeared in the mid 1960s. Businessman, before everyone was on the internet, maybe the mid- or late- 80s.

I think under these circumstances, it's okay to believe whatever you want. If you watch the Big Bang Theory, one of the characters had a father who had vanished during his childhood. He had received a letter from him as an adult, but had never opened it. One of his friends, organizing his closet, had. He was ambivalent about reading the letter himself. Each of his friends developed a short explanation of what was in that letter, and told him the story. One of the stories WAS true, but he could choose to believe whichever one he wanted.
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Originally Posted by Smarie78 View Post
If you grieve it as death, it’s tangible and therefore ambiguity is gone. There is a beginning and an end. Thoughts? I’m starting to think this may be helpful for me.
It absolutely is a death. It's the death of a relationship, the death of your hope of what you wanted the man to be. The death of a dream. I think it is something most of us here have gone through and understand. It's an enormously uncomfortable feeling. It comes and goes in waves.

My Dad died a couple years ago. My XAH and I were already split up at the time. The death of my marriage hurt far worse and for far longer than the death of my own father. Coming to terms with the fact that it was very much like experiencing the death of a person helped me to realize the terrible feelings were in fact grief/loss ( of my ex and our marriage) and to process those feelings as such.

You can't get around these feelings you are having, you have to go through them. I empathize.
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My uncle disappeared.
He and his wife were having problems. He was a drinker.
She moved to California, he ostensibly followed her to try to patch things up.
He and my grandmother corresponded for a while, then her letters came back, addressee unknown.
My family searched for him when my grandmother died, as there was an inheritance.
Nothing.
Years later, through the internet, my brother found him and gave the information to my father.
Who did nothing with it.
I don’t know what to make of that.
Why wouldn’t you want to connect with someone you thought was dead, but wasn’t?
I didn’t learn about this until after my father died.
I have a decidedly odd family.
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Smarie....one thing is for sure....those who try to go through this alone, have a harder time coping.....
If you go to the work of Dr. Pauline Boss...who coined the term "ambiguous loss".....that is the one thing that she makes clear....(I am sure that you already know about her...since you used the term...lol)....

I think/know that you can be helped....but, you have to reach out for support and professional assistance. Do get back to your therapist....and get some support from those you can talk openly with about this...face to face. Human contact is essential. Maybe, you will even have to ask your therapist for a referral to a specialist, for a time....
There is help...you need it...get the help that you need....
You need the help as bad as your boyfriend needs it for himself.....
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My mother had a heart attack and suffered from lack of oxygen to the brain for 8 minutes. Afterwards, she was vegetative for several years (at the hands of my alcoholic creepy stepfather). When she finally did die (a blessing, IMO, as there was ZERO quality of life and she had really painful bedsores) it was almost as if she'd died a second time. Ambiguous loss. Never heard of it until today, but I like that. It perfectly describes it.
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I am so sorry you are going through this.

Some thoughts. I wonder if it might be helpful for you if you put yourself in charge of your situation? Made a move to terminate the relationship fully, on your own terms? Write him an unsent letter telling him you are done being his girlfriend. Instead of checking your phone constantly for texts, block his number. Instead of looking at Facebook to give you answers, block him from seeing your page. Breakup with him and move on, even if you don’t have a chance to say it to his face.

Now you are in charge. Very empowering.

After my grandmother had her 9th baby, my alcoholic grandfather disappeared without a trace. We found out many years later he had run off to Mexico, married a second wife, and started a new family.

If he’s dead, you’d know. If he’s not, then he’s being a jerk. You don’t have to put up with it. You have a choice.
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I’ve been trying to put a name to this new chapter or categorize it into something sensible. Something my brain understands. I want to move on. I’m trying. Tricking my brain. But late at night when all the noise is off I am haunted. No ideas of where or what happened to someone so inconsistently consistent.
Could be off base here but it seems to me like you are standing on sand (when what you really need to stand on is some concrete).

"Tricking" your brain isn't really helping? It's providing you with a few hours of relief from rumination perhaps.

Let's say you knew where he was. He is in his apartment, holed up, drinking all day every day, when he's not at the liquor store or bar. Would that really assuage your fears and sadness? I doubt it, because he is still going down his well worn path of alcoholism and self-harm.

If you did know where he was would your post be something like - how can I get him help? Should I drop off some food anonymously at his door? Should I leave 500 dollars in the mailbox on rent day as I know he is probably short.

I guess I just see that your rumination is really about the same things it always has been, looking out for him at your own expense.

I have to ask, why do you always go to the worst case scenario with him? Why do you always fear he is dead in a ditch somewhere? He obviously leads a destructive and risky lifestyle but so do many addicts. Please keep in mind he is a grown man. He might be an addict and he might not be in a right-thinking frame of mind all the time, but he is a grown up man.
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Thanks smarie for this post.

"Ambiguous loss".

Helps to define or explain the type of pain so many of us here in the F&F group are going through. (Including myself.)

As mentioned in previous posts before mine, I think counseling and support from others is important. This is a tough emotional situation to be in. It is really difficult to walk through a situation like this on your own.

Alanon has a saying "Let Go and Let God". I have turned loved ones over to my HP, (God in my case), often. But sigh, admittedly, this can sometimes be difficult to do.

Sometimes we (I) need something more tangible.

Years ago, after my mom died, I attended a grief support group at a local hospital. A retired fire captain was there. His wife was still alive, but he was slowly losing her to Alzheimer's. It was a slow, painful, ambiguous loss he was going through. He recommended a book, "How to Survive the Loss of A Love", (Peter McWilliams).

I bought it. It is a short, easy read. And it even has a bit of humor in it. I highly recommend. It is applicable to all types of loss. You might google it. (High ratings and inexpensive.)

In fact, I am going to pull that little gem off my bookshelf and read again. (To deal with my current ambiguous loss.)

I hope you can find your own way to cope with the ambiguity and uncertainty of the loss of your loved one.

Sending you a big, soft, caring hug.
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For me it's the end stage of a relationship when I sit helplessly, knowing it's going to collapse. The real relationship has been gone for a long time, I'm just going through the motion.
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I have a decidedly odd family.
There was a family my family did things with: camping, cookouts, things like that. One of my parents was a co-worker of one of the other parents. They worked together and socialized for many years.

The father died. After his death, the family was contacted by his siblings.

No one knew he had siblings. There was an uncle and cousins and everything. As far as his friends and family knew, he was an only child.
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Smarie,

Thank you for this topic. (((Hugs)))






"I think this might speak to you," said my friend Cate as she sent me a link to The Myth of Closure, a July 2016 episode of On Being featuring Dr. Pauline Boss. In interviewer Krista Tippett's words, the episode explores "complicated grief, the myth of closure, and learning to hold the losses in our midst." (Cate was right: the episode does speak to me, deeply.)

Pauline Boss is an expert on what's sometimes called ambiguous loss -- for instance, the loss someone feels when a loved one is slowly dying of Alzheimer's. Or the loss experienced by a parent whose child dies, or someone whose loved one is kidnapped and never found. Loss without closure. (One of the cases she makes, quite cogently I think, is that "closure" is a myth that doesn't actually help us.)

She talks about people grieving loved ones who died in dramatic ways: the 9/11 terrorist attacks, or a tsunami that kills thousands. Those parts of the interview are powerful... but for me the most resonant sections are when she's talking about ordinary losses. For instance, she talks about how American culture expects immigrants to not grieve their decision to leave wherever they came from. And she says:

The more you want people to get over it, the longer it will take for them. And why not remember your former country, your former island, your former culture while you’re learning to fit into the new one? In other words, having two cultures is what it ends up being.

What she says here makes me think of my own life changes, especially the end of my marriage. The life we had been building is the "country" that I left, to which I can't return. I have complicated feelings when I remember the home I used to know -- not so much the literal house where we lived (though I miss that sometimes too), but the psycho-spiritual sense of home that I located in that relationship.

We all go through these changes, and we all experience this kind of loss. "The past is a foreign country," as L.P. Hartley wrote. None of us can revisit what was. Even in a relationship that remains intact, we can't go back to how things were then, whenever "then" was. But in a relationship that comes apart, the sense of loss is more profound... and one can't help remembering what was, even when it is no more.

I'm not the only one who makes the leap between the ambiguous loss inherent in literal immigration and the ambiguous loss inherent in this more metaphorical kind of move between life's chapters or incarnations. At one point in the episode, Krista asks Dr. Boss to reflect specifically on how these ideas about complicated grief and the fantasy of closure relate to divorce. And Dr. Boss says:

"[C]losure” is a terrible word in human relationships. Once you’ve become attached to somebody, love them, care about them, when they’re lost, you still care about them. It’s different. It’s a different dimension. But you can’t just turn it off...

it’s not as dramatic as the disasters we are talking about, but it’s more common every day. And that is you are leaving someone, you have lost someone by the divorce certificate, but they’re still here. So they’re here, but not here...

[T]hey’re present and also absent at the same time. That’s especially true when you co-parent children. And so divorce is a kind of human relationship that is ruptured but not gone.

Ruptured but not gone: that feels familiar to me. Once you've been attached to someone in a deep and intimate way, that attachment can't be erased. It becomes part of who you are. (Rabbi Alan Lew wrote about this too, in his brilliant This Is Real And You Are Completely Unprepared, which I have cited here so often over the years.) Even when the marriage is over, it remains, like a phantom limb.

In one sense, divorce is real, and it makes a difference. The ritual that ended my marriage was real, and it made a difference. And in another sense, divorce is a fiction -- or at least "closure" is a fiction. Even when one or both partners move on with their romantic and interpersonal lives, the relationship that was never entirely disappears. It is always something that used to exist, and its imprint remains.

And loss and grief are not linear experiences. It's easy and tempting to imagine that one goes from greatest grief, to lesser grief, to no grief at all. That would be so logical, wouldn't it? And that isn't how life works. Grief comes and goes on its own calendar, in its own ways. (I've written about that before -- see Good Grief, 2014.) And grief can coexist with gratitude and hope. They don't cancel each other out.

Getting divorced is an ongoing experience of coming to terms with ambiguity. I can be thriving in every way -- and then be knocked into a spiral of sorrow by the sound of a particular song, or the sight of two people holding hands, or a wedding invitation that arrives in the mail. The grief doesn't negate the truth that I am thriving, and the thriving doesn't negate the truth that I am still navigating grief.

Getting divorced is an ongoing experience of coming to terms with contradictory truths. I was partnered for 23 years, and now I'm navigating life without a companion. I'm grateful for what is, and sad for what isn't. The relationship through which I once self-defined no longer exists, but it will always have existed, and I will always be shaped by it, even as I work on learning to define myself in other ways.

There's ambiguity in all of these things. And my relationship to the marriage, and to the feelings of loss that still ebb and flow as I approach the one-year anniversary of the day when we agreed that the marriage was over, is also ambiguous. I'm grateful and I'm sad at the same time. In one way the marriage is long over, and in another way the marriage will never stop shaping who I become.

Deep thanks to Krista Tippett and to Dr. Pauline Boss for giving me a conceptual frame big enough to hold these ambiguities.

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retired fire captain was there. His wife was still alive, but he was slowly losing her to Alzheimer's. It was a slow, painful, ambiguous loss he was going through. He recommended a book, "How to Survive the Loss of A Love", (Peter McWilliams).

I bought it. It is a short, easy read. And it even has a bit of humor in it. I highly recommend. It is applicable to all types of loss. You might google it. (High ratings and inexpensive.)

In fact, I am going to pull that little gem off my bookshelf and read again. (To deal with my current ambiguous loss.)
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Oh wow Alcsis, I love that book and often recommend it. I have never ever seen a better book on grief. It doesn't preach and explain grief. That book takes you by the hand and walks you through it crying along with you. I really really really second this recommendation.

Smarie, if you read at all, this book was written for you.

Okay back in the day it was written for me too.
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Aww, bekindalways, how great to find someone else who appreciates the book I mentioned. It's an "Oldie but Goodie" for sure!! I too, have given many copies (paperback) and recommended it to others. Pulled my hard back copy off the bookshelf today. The pages are yellow and tattered (and loved). Yes, it is a keeper.........

HOWEVER, tonight I just read a free PDF article online by Pauline Boss (Mango mentioned her):
"The Trauma and Complicated Grief of Ambiguous Loss".

(Easily " googled ")

This. Is. A. Must. Read. (IMHO)
The article opened my eyes and brought me to tears.

This is Another " Keeper"!!!

Thanks smarie and everyone who have contributed to this thread and lead me to this wonderful spiritually awakening and enlightening (to me) definition and explanation of the torment of this grief called "Ambiguous Loss".

I love SR!!!
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I also recommend How to Survive the Loss of a Love.
It is short and great, very easy read.

My ex got into treatment, got sober, and then walked out on me and basically slammed the door shut on our relationship and didn't look back. Just walked out of our life together and started a new one.

It was devastating. I thought I would never get over that pain.
I was trying anything and everything to take any of that pain away.
That book was amazing. I can't really explain why it is so good, but it is.

I read it over and over. I started therapy (again), I see an addiction specialist and I needed it badly. I was a damn mess and it was a tremendous help.

Al- Anon was the other crutch for me, I needed to talk at times and I needed to listen at other times. I just needed to be around people that understood and would let me be and not try to fix me or make me feel better, just let me work through the pain and be compassionate. My friends, whom I love dearly, give terrible advice because they just don't understand what it is like to live with an addict and I would usually feel worse after their attempts to lift me up. Not their fault, I just learned quickly I needed other people to talk to who do get it.

I think the ambiguous loss is very fitting. I struggled a lot because I was blindsided by the breakup, the person I loved and who I spent the majority of my time with all of a sudden was just gone. I think it would have been easier to grieve had he died because I wouldnt have had to sit alone in our house imagining his new "improved" life without me. I hope you will find a professional to help you work through this, as it is extremely trying and for me was a very long hard road to get to the place I am today, which is happy and moving on with my life in really positive ways. 6 months ago I could not imagine being at this place, it seemed I would never get through the darkness, depression and pain.

Take care of yourself.
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