Circulation Of An Alcoholic? Always Hot Or Cold
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Circulation Of An Alcoholic? Always Hot Or Cold
How does heavy drinking affect the circulatory systems of an alcoholic. On one hand I heard it dilates the blood vessels but don't they shrink up after the affects of alcohol wear off. The alkie hear always seems to be hot or cold. Of course your are expect to keep and pay for an artificial environment to their liking.
And what would alternating highly caffeinated drinks with alcohol filled drinks do to the body over a 1/2 day lets say. I think it could affect mood swings for starters but would that play tricks with the body and/or simply be adding another diuretic?
Would alcohol or drugs affect any thing else that might regulate body temperature or does the alkie/addict look for comfort perfection?
And what would alternating highly caffeinated drinks with alcohol filled drinks do to the body over a 1/2 day lets say. I think it could affect mood swings for starters but would that play tricks with the body and/or simply be adding another diuretic?
Would alcohol or drugs affect any thing else that might regulate body temperature or does the alkie/addict look for comfort perfection?
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Never understood why people like alcohol with coffee! But some of the heaviest drinkers do!
Hmmmm...
Let's see here.... Alc. is a vasodilator and cns depressant while coffee is a vasoconstrictor and cns stimulant... Both are thought to have diuretic qualities... But put these two things together and imagine the heyday its having on the brain and blood vessels....
Hmmmm...
Let's see here.... Alc. is a vasodilator and cns depressant while coffee is a vasoconstrictor and cns stimulant... Both are thought to have diuretic qualities... But put these two things together and imagine the heyday its having on the brain and blood vessels....
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Since the alkie's persona is that of a professional athlete/gym rat I was thinking maybe I could try to reason with some information on the effects if it would put in terms of sports medicine or physiology. Of course you just can't say heavy drinking or excessive caffeine is bad. That and the constant I'm hot I'm cold is tiring so rather than say keep your comments to yourself perhaps dressing up 'It's not me, the room it is you' might have an affect.
It's seems there are multiple illegal substances now as well. At first I thought it was the alcohol offsetting steroid use. It seems to have gone past that. Are there multiple probably illegal drugs in play now, more than usual? I frequently hear how addicts start doing multiple substances to offset each other either to sleep or get going. Has the alkie/addict behavior expanded to this? Is the normal progression for an alkie/addict?
It's seems there are multiple illegal substances now as well. At first I thought it was the alcohol offsetting steroid use. It seems to have gone past that. Are there multiple probably illegal drugs in play now, more than usual? I frequently hear how addicts start doing multiple substances to offset each other either to sleep or get going. Has the alkie/addict behavior expanded to this? Is the normal progression for an alkie/addict?
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Originally Posted by teatreeoil007 
Never understood why people like alcohol with coffee! But some of the heaviest drinkers do....
Why? because the buzz from the caffeine gave me a false sense of happy-energy, and that mixed with the calming/CNS depressive affects of alcohol, didn't make me sleepy like wine. Caffeine acted as a bandaid to the depression and the alcohol a bandaid to the anxiety.
For some reason these were my favorite drinks at comedy clubs. I looked more forward to having these drinks then I did to the actual comedy show.
Never again!! :-)
PS - my body temp regulation and circulatory system have been messed up for over two decades from when I was anorexic (which is an addiction, too, though to a behavior and not a substance.) I just sort of have gotten used to it. Cardiovascular exercise helps.
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Originally Posted by thequest
Since the alkie's persona is that of a professional athlete/gym rat I was thinking maybe I could try to reason with some information on the effects if it would put in terms of sports medicine or physiology. Of course you just can't say heavy drinking or excessive caffeine is bad. That and the constant I'm hot I'm cold is tiring so rather than say keep your comments to yourself perhaps dressing up 'It's not me, the room it is you' might have an affect.
It's seems there are multiple illegal substances now as well. At first I thought it was the alcohol offsetting steroid use. It seems to have gone past that. Are there multiple probably illegal drugs in play now, more than usual? I frequently hear how addicts start doing multiple substances to offset each other either to sleep or get going. Has the alkie/addict behavior expanded to this? Is the normal progression for an alkie/addict?
It's seems there are multiple illegal substances now as well. At first I thought it was the alcohol offsetting steroid use. It seems to have gone past that. Are there multiple probably illegal drugs in play now, more than usual? I frequently hear how addicts start doing multiple substances to offset each other either to sleep or get going. Has the alkie/addict behavior expanded to this? Is the normal progression for an alkie/addict?
I am a 'double winner' and say this with compassion. You would be wasting your precious energy and time to do as you suggest. Us thick headed alkies will drink until we are ready to stop.
I went from hot to cold when drinking too, was uncomfortable but it doesn't stop you from drinking, it just makes you think of (insane) ways around it!! As you touch on, we use various meds or whatever to offset bad effects of drinking. I used to take endless indigestion medication when really what I needed to do was quit booze but we don't see it like that. My alkie hub was the same.
We become experts in substances that affect our moods too so use them to balance things out. Darn hard work, to be honest. Which all shows the pure insanity of it.
I would urge you to look after yourself and care for you. I don't know if you are working a program but focus on yourself.
We can only take care of ourselves, not other people too.
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Logic and reason are useless with alcoholics...
I, literally, cannot count the number of people I've met online and in person since 2003 who have tried to solve alcoholism intellectually-- it is, literally, a zero sum game.
IMHO you cannot think your way around alcoholism and there is nobody, and I mean nobody, who can help an alcoholic except the alcoholic.
"Helping" alcoholics helps them to keep drinking.
Focus on yourself-- that may seem odd to read, but Focus on yourself. Maybe start with an Alanon meeting or two (they are for people who love alcholics), or try a book called "Codependant No More." Don't get caught up in the titles-- just keep an open mind and give them a try.
Take care,
Cyranoak
IMHO you cannot think your way around alcoholism and there is nobody, and I mean nobody, who can help an alcoholic except the alcoholic.
"Helping" alcoholics helps them to keep drinking.
Focus on yourself-- that may seem odd to read, but Focus on yourself. Maybe start with an Alanon meeting or two (they are for people who love alcholics), or try a book called "Codependant No More." Don't get caught up in the titles-- just keep an open mind and give them a try.
Take care,
Cyranoak
Originally Posted by LexieCat
In my experience, presenting medical information to an addict/alcoholic is as useless as anything else we try to do to change them.
YOU could try stepping AWAY from the madness.
YOU could try stepping AWAY from the madness.
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Hello thequest, and pleased to "meet" you 
Been there, done that. My ex _is_ a professional athlete and a total gym rat. She knows all about the human body, nutrition, etc. etc. None of that makes any difference at all when it comes to her addiction.
As others have mentioned, in the mind of an addict the addiction is the _only_ thing that matters. Everything else is just a means to getting more of the "high". If it were possible to reason with an addict.... they would reason with themselves and not need anybody's help to figure it out.
Mike
Originally Posted by thequest
... Since the alkie's persona is that of a professional athlete/gym rat I was thinking maybe I could try to reason with some information...
As others have mentioned, in the mind of an addict the addiction is the _only_ thing that matters. Everything else is just a means to getting more of the "high". If it were possible to reason with an addict.... they would reason with themselves and not need anybody's help to figure it out.
Mike
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Originally Posted by teatreeoil007
Never understood why people like alcohol with coffee! But some of the heaviest drinkers do!
Hmmmm...
Let's see here.... Alc. is a vasodilator and cns depressant while coffee is a vasoconstrictor and cns stimulant... Both are thought to have diuretic qualities... But put these two things together and imagine the heyday its having on the brain and blood vessels....
Hmmmm...
Let's see here.... Alc. is a vasodilator and cns depressant while coffee is a vasoconstrictor and cns stimulant... Both are thought to have diuretic qualities... But put these two things together and imagine the heyday its having on the brain and blood vessels....
I hope things like hot-cold and others are taught to the addict/alkie in a formal setting like counseling or rehab. If just one person learns something and can pass it down to others it would be a success.
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