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Old 03-30-2014, 06:36 PM
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Well, I am back

I am trying to settle in to AVRT and even reading the Easy Way book as well as my many attempts at moderation have not gone to plan. I can still go a week at a time without a drop but when I let go on Friday night or Saturday.... never ends well. My dad was in AA for over a decade and passed away late last year around the holidays which not only crushed me, but kicked me in the ass to just quit and get alcohol out of my life. I need a support system and am hoping to find it here as I cannot and will not do AA. If anyone has any secular advice, I am all ears and look forward to being here while I get this thing licked.
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I am trying to settle in to AVRT and even reading the Easy Way book as well as my many attempts at moderation have not gone to plan. I can still go a week at a time without a drop but when I let go on Friday night or Saturday.... never ends well. My dad was in AA for over a decade and passed away late last year around the holidays which not only crushed me, but kicked me in the ass to just quit and get alcohol out of my life. I need a support system and am hoping to find it here as I cannot and will not do AA. If anyone has any secular advice, I am all ears and look forward to being here while I get this thing licked.
Welcome back. I don't do AA myself, but "can not and will not" is generally not an attitude that lends itself to sobriety, no matter what method you choose.

The most important thing for me was first fully accepting that I cannot drink, ever. You mentioned many attempts at moderation, I did the same. I finally realized that not only is moderation not possible, it will never be possible. Hence the need to never pick up a drink in the first place.

I personally use SR as my main support. I do read the big book, dabble in AVRT, and have even sat in on an AA meeting here and there even though I don't work the steps per se.

Bottom line, keep an open mind and use whatever you can to not pick up that first one.
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Sorry about your father
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Old 03-30-2014, 06:51 PM
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4mykids723, sorry about you're Dad. I think you've come to a great spot. There is a lot of support if you ask and post often.
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Old 03-30-2014, 06:57 PM
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Welcome back to SR.

Sorry about your loss.
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Old 03-30-2014, 06:59 PM
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My battle is a tough one as my drinking is tied to my art. It is easy to think that I can just give up music, but I simply cannot do that which is why AA will not work for me. I need to break this Pavlov's Dog type of thinking where any time an activity with music happens, I cannot possibly attend without drinking. I am going back to the books and having now completed 2 whole days without, will keep up the good fight. I have no reason to believe that I won't make it til' Friday, but once the weekend comes and the music is back....we shall see indeed.
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Old 03-30-2014, 07:45 PM
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Welcome back 4mykids

I was a professional musician - I thought I couldn't give up drinking and lose my career either.
Eventually tho I lost my career. Noone wants a drunk bass player.


I took 18 months off, got myself together and stayed playing again with sober musicians.

That 18 months off was great for me and I recommend it. I grew a lot.

But...if stopping playing is not an option then you need to get real, man.

Musicianship is about music, not drinking

It's tough, but it's possible to stay sober and play music - if you really want to.

I played sober for well over a year before other health issues forced me to retire again.
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Old 03-31-2014, 03:42 AM
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Sorry for your loss and welcome back xxxx
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Old 04-01-2014, 06:36 PM
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Thanks all. Still clean here on Day 4 though I want a Beer fairly badly... I know I can't because one will bring at least 4 or 5 friends. This sucks.....
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Exactly. The first one sounds innocent and that's the big lie.
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Old 04-01-2014, 07:09 PM
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Yea, ....the GD ambivalence sucks

How's it going with the AVRT ?

They say it's not good to study it while actively drinking, ......are you getting a foothold with the Big Plan ?
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Old 04-01-2014, 07:17 PM
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sorry about your loss. i tried moderating, and in the long run abstinence is much much less work. music isnt about drinking, its about music, unless YOU choose to make it about drinking. best of luck with whatever you decide, but your life is on the line here, may not seem like it YET.... be willing to do whatever it takes to get and stay sober... 4YOURkids, at the very least
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Old 04-01-2014, 07:51 PM
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Lots of musician drunks out there. How many times have we fallen off our stools, laughed, and kept playing. As long as we never spilled the drink! I play in two bands now- half the guys are sloshed- the other half on coffee. I'm still working on hanging more with the other half....two points: a) we can play sober (actually play better) and b) bass players always get the chicks!
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Old 04-02-2014, 07:45 PM
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I have no Big Plan outside of trying to make 30 days and then re-evaluate... at this point I have not slipped but it is getting harder and not easier. I had a horrible day at work today... took some Magnesium tonight and trying to hydrate and replenish vitamins now. I have also fallen back in love with Jazz, particularly John Coltrane which should give me some focus and maybe even lead me to pick up my instrument. Hoping to get a full night of sleep tonight.
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Old 04-03-2014, 05:42 AM
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Coltrane will get the blood flowing through your brain cells! I find good R & B bands calm my brain and give me peace. Since I quit the sauce, I noticed the tone is warmer, the dynamics are so much better; all aspects of my playing improved a lot. And, the reeds do not taste like stale beer! Musicians are lucky- we can get tremendous release through playing our music, and really do not need alcohol. Hold your horn a tad closer, hang with some more temperate players, and you too will make that transition. All the best, man!
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buy the book The Willpower Instinct - it'll help you to understand ALOT about what's going on and what you can do - at least go to Amazon and read the reviews and decide for yourself. Best book I've read in ages!
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Old 04-03-2014, 08:13 AM
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My condolences on the death of your father, 4mykids.
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Old 04-03-2014, 02:22 PM
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I think you need to consider the benefits of having a plan 4mykids...

It sounds like what you have now is a grit your teeth, tension filled ordeal until day 30...then what?

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Old 04-03-2014, 06:18 PM
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welcome.... you can do it.

I'm sorry for the loss of your father. Is his death related to your staunch opposition to AA?

Just wondering... seemed like there's something big there for you. Carrying around the weight of big things is a common struggle for us alcoholics.

oh, also;

29 Musicians Who Won’t Be Drinking On St. Patrick’s Day « WCBS-FM 101.1
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Old 04-03-2014, 06:43 PM
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I have my own reasons for not wanting to use AA but will not share out of respect to the people for whom AA is a life saver. Thanks to everyone for the kind words regarding Dad. It means a lot. I am still going strong but wish this cloudiness would go away so that I could do something productive. Tomorrow is a week.
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