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If you want to be angry
Here is something that we can all get very angry about:
Purdue sold $2.8 Billion worth of Oxycontin last year.
"In 2007, Purdue Pharma and three of its executives paid $634 million and pled guilty to charges of misleading the public about the safety and addictiveness of OxyContin."
I don't believe for one minute that a company this large, with an enormous marketing budget, no doubt, has no comprehension of where most of these drugs are ending up. They admitted to purposely lying about the risk of addiction - they knew exactly what they were doing.
And the "tamper proof" stuff is just nonsense, as many of us know. So the government just passed a law that does little other than protect Purdue's profits.
I hold our addicts accountable in many ways, but the fact that a corporate entity is creating such a highly addictive substance and dumping it on our streets (then in Canada when things tightened up here) makes me beyond angry. The amount of devastation caused in this country by legal pharmaceuticals far outweighs any other domestic or international concerns that I have and the fact that our government allows it makes me sick.
News from The Associated Press
Purdue sold $2.8 Billion worth of Oxycontin last year.
"In 2007, Purdue Pharma and three of its executives paid $634 million and pled guilty to charges of misleading the public about the safety and addictiveness of OxyContin."
I don't believe for one minute that a company this large, with an enormous marketing budget, no doubt, has no comprehension of where most of these drugs are ending up. They admitted to purposely lying about the risk of addiction - they knew exactly what they were doing.
And the "tamper proof" stuff is just nonsense, as many of us know. So the government just passed a law that does little other than protect Purdue's profits.
I hold our addicts accountable in many ways, but the fact that a corporate entity is creating such a highly addictive substance and dumping it on our streets (then in Canada when things tightened up here) makes me beyond angry. The amount of devastation caused in this country by legal pharmaceuticals far outweighs any other domestic or international concerns that I have and the fact that our government allows it makes me sick.
News from The Associated Press
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My Mother worked in the war on drugs, and frequently said "If people knew who was really making the money on this, they would be astounded."
One brother said to me "We're fighting a war in the poppy fields of Afghanistan, but people are dying here on our streets." I can't for a minute believe that these things are not connected.
I make sure that none of my $ goes to companies that manufacture painkillers, period. I know there are people in true pain, but believe the bulk of prescription painkillers are being abused.
One brother said to me "We're fighting a war in the poppy fields of Afghanistan, but people are dying here on our streets." I can't for a minute believe that these things are not connected.
I make sure that none of my $ goes to companies that manufacture painkillers, period. I know there are people in true pain, but believe the bulk of prescription painkillers are being abused.
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An addiction specialist MD I worked with last summer told me that the "pain scale" (the 1-10 rating) and the introduction of drugs like Oxy have led directly to the abuse and overprescription of pain meds, increased addiction, and increased heroin use in the US. It really makes me sick to read about the LEGAL profits, not to mention the devastation the illegal use causes our families and loved ones.
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A good article to really understand how are pharmaceutical companies operate. I have a close relative involved in qualty control of pharmaceutical regulations. She tells everyone...pharmaceutical companies and their money are running this country.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/03/bu...lth.html?_r=1&
Many medications have been outsourced to other countries with no regulations in place!! Counterfeit meds are rampant and most of us have no idea.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/03/bu...lth.html?_r=1&
Many medications have been outsourced to other countries with no regulations in place!! Counterfeit meds are rampant and most of us have no idea.
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Article regarding counterfeits medicines.
Fake Avastin shows very little protects drug supply | Reuters
Fake Avastin shows very little protects drug supply | Reuters
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$2.8 billion in sales of OxyContin is nothing compared to the alcohol figures.
The biggest drug dealer is the government: racking up $21 billion in beverage alcohol taxes in 2010.
Alcohol Tax and Economic Figures
Alcohol industry advocacy groups claim over $400 billion in total economic activity in the US each year as a result of this "legal" drug.
In addition, alcohol is rated as the most harmful substance; worse than heroin or crack:
Food for thought...
The biggest drug dealer is the government: racking up $21 billion in beverage alcohol taxes in 2010.
Alcohol Tax and Economic Figures
Alcohol industry advocacy groups claim over $400 billion in total economic activity in the US each year as a result of this "legal" drug.
In addition, alcohol is rated as the most harmful substance; worse than heroin or crack:
Food for thought...
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It was explained to me that OxyContin once only came in an 8mg tab, then later a 16mg tab. An addict described the 16mg to me as being like 4 Xanax. Then there were 40's, then 80's. No reasonable person could say this was not intended to create addicts or that, at least, anyone with a brain would recognize this would happen. The time-release "protection" was rendered useless by crushing. An idiot could figure that out. They touted it as safer than other painkillers and admitted they knowingly lied about this.
When states like KY started tightening restrictions on prescriptions to combat the problem (to the point that a Dr. Prescribing a 40 mg OxyContin would almost certainly lose their license) they started dumping it in Canada where there were hardly any controls. Detroit based dealers were finding ways to bring it in the country then working their way down I-75 through every small town (limited police resources) until the town was devastated and then they would move on. This info was on the DEA website at one point.
I met a young guy who was prescribed Oxy at college by student health for headaches. One prescription. Within a month he was stealing from his family, doctor shopping, already a junkie. Beautiful young man and his life was forever changed. Family was devastated.
Also know of a Dr. with a similar story. Legally prescribed Oxycontin for back pain with no history of drug abuse, her life and career ended up destroyed very rapidly. The PA AG went after the Dr. instead of Purdue, unlike CT and KY AG's that held the corporation accountable for the devastation in their States. That AG is now the Governor of PA.
When states like KY started tightening restrictions on prescriptions to combat the problem (to the point that a Dr. Prescribing a 40 mg OxyContin would almost certainly lose their license) they started dumping it in Canada where there were hardly any controls. Detroit based dealers were finding ways to bring it in the country then working their way down I-75 through every small town (limited police resources) until the town was devastated and then they would move on. This info was on the DEA website at one point.
I met a young guy who was prescribed Oxy at college by student health for headaches. One prescription. Within a month he was stealing from his family, doctor shopping, already a junkie. Beautiful young man and his life was forever changed. Family was devastated.
Also know of a Dr. with a similar story. Legally prescribed Oxycontin for back pain with no history of drug abuse, her life and career ended up destroyed very rapidly. The PA AG went after the Dr. instead of Purdue, unlike CT and KY AG's that held the corporation accountable for the devastation in their States. That AG is now the Governor of PA.
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Hanna, I absolutely believe that the drug companies very deliberately encourages addiction for more profits. I also believe a lot (not all) of doctors overprescribe even knowing they are feeding addiction.
This is one of the reasons why the writer of the book In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts lost believability with me. He claimed that mankind has been deprived of the use of painkillers because addiction to them only happens to 15% (or 30%, I can't remember). He was putting forth a case for the prescription of MORE painkillers.
I have been against the over-prescription of medicine for a long time. Pharmaceutical companies really do not have our best interest at heart. Profit has been too important for too long in the medical field.
This is one of the reasons why the writer of the book In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts lost believability with me. He claimed that mankind has been deprived of the use of painkillers because addiction to them only happens to 15% (or 30%, I can't remember). He was putting forth a case for the prescription of MORE painkillers.
I have been against the over-prescription of medicine for a long time. Pharmaceutical companies really do not have our best interest at heart. Profit has been too important for too long in the medical field.
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Originally Posted by Hanna 
It was explained to me that OxyContin once only came in an 8mg tab, then later a 16mg tab. An addict described the 16mg to me as being like 4 Xanax. Then there were 40's, then 80's. No reasonable person could say this was not intended to create addicts or that, at least, anyone with a brain would recognize this would happen.
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Don’t forgot OC 160’s …
And is there any reason to be angry?
Maybe it is important to note, that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
This is much more complicated than the misrepresentation and flat out lying by pharmaceutical companies. And frankly as with any company they will not be in this to lose money, they will want to make money or why be in business to begin with. Making any drug is not cheap and has its own sorted greed involved that does effect patient care.
What would be if they stopped making these drugs, would it be better or worse…
Where does the responsibility of the patient come in. I can not believe that people in this day and age, from the past 3 decades, hell back to 1914 where the change helped set today in a worse way, don’t know that opiates/opiods are addictive. The potential has always been there.
Who doesn’t know alcohol is, that cigarettes are, that coke is, that crack is, that meth is, that ad’s are, that benzo’s are….
Drugs are not new, addiction is not new.
Public outcry changed the formula of oxy and will be responsible for where things go from here. And yet it didn’t stop addiction. People just moved to other pills, or went to heroin. Opana overtook oxy quickly in use after the change and their ER version was changed as well, all will be in time. Heroin use skyrocketed and will continue to do so as formulas are changed. And the new versions have some nasty side effects and aren’t controlling pain as the old formula would in people who really need this. Oh and someone figured a way around which has it‘s own dangers attached.
We have to remember that even though Oxy has destroyed many lives, there are people who need this and other pain controlling drugs. I have seen the damage the tighter controls have had. My gf had to call a the local state representative where she lived to pick her dying fathers meds up. The pharmacy actually called the police on her after she said she couldn‘t bring her dad in because he was dying in his own bed. And this is not an isolated incident. And this is part of our nanny law new wave culture of interference and protecting people from themselves which always looks suspiciously codie. I am sorry I have issues with nanny type laws.
What did people think would happen, it would fix the problem? It actually has created more. And all that to go after a drug company and the problem still remains as fierce as ever.
There is a clear line that maps out how we go to today on every level from as far back as history can see. But in the more recent since the 80’s, heroin got good because cocaine went to crack….all that we do the freebasing for you. So coke went to crack, heroin totally surpassed its 8 to 12 percent pure and is pure in many areas, pot had to compete and the thc levels are much higher through genetic engineering Oh and they genetically engineer the poppy and the coca. Good old crank was replace with crystal and that one is totally on the DEA, they own the meth nightmare totally. So thinking they could ban or control the active ingredient just as they did with methaqualone. Oh and for as much as they got the world to stop producing it, it is back and a huge problem more recent in South Africa
Addiction isn’t a problem of today, it is a progression of every reaction in the past that brought us to today.
And we still sink tons of money into a war on drugs that failed, we spend tons of money keeping pharmaceutical companies ethical, we spend tons of money sweeping streets, ton of money housing users in jail, and just for using, I am not even bringing the criminal aspect in…
Then we turn around on the local, state, and federal level and fine…and most favorite sick law is being in a known drug area…no drugs, hell no money in your pocket but you can and will be arrested, that one scares me… And where is the money to clean up the fallout when the streets are swept and you now left tons of craving addicts to their own devices/ Were they not going to react. They certainly won’t be looking for help, it isn’t there in that moment.
Drug addiction is big business, and not so ethical itself. Opiate treatment is run by an archaic law that gives the government total control. Everyone is making money at the expense of addicts. If addicts would actually all clean up at one time, the economic crash would probably be worse than any we have seen ever and would be felt all over the world.
And I didn’t even hit how society plays. Oh wait, hell all that didn’t cause fixes that right up, and blame will surely make it all work in ones head.
Everyone is a problem in this, the future gets better collectively if we become healthier and educated one person at a time. Then we create healthier children who have a better chance of passing that on instead of the dysfunction passed on now. This is the only fix that ever seemed to at least make sense to me.
And is there any reason to be angry?
Maybe it is important to note, that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
This is much more complicated than the misrepresentation and flat out lying by pharmaceutical companies. And frankly as with any company they will not be in this to lose money, they will want to make money or why be in business to begin with. Making any drug is not cheap and has its own sorted greed involved that does effect patient care.
What would be if they stopped making these drugs, would it be better or worse…
Where does the responsibility of the patient come in. I can not believe that people in this day and age, from the past 3 decades, hell back to 1914 where the change helped set today in a worse way, don’t know that opiates/opiods are addictive. The potential has always been there.
Who doesn’t know alcohol is, that cigarettes are, that coke is, that crack is, that meth is, that ad’s are, that benzo’s are….
Drugs are not new, addiction is not new.
Public outcry changed the formula of oxy and will be responsible for where things go from here. And yet it didn’t stop addiction. People just moved to other pills, or went to heroin. Opana overtook oxy quickly in use after the change and their ER version was changed as well, all will be in time. Heroin use skyrocketed and will continue to do so as formulas are changed. And the new versions have some nasty side effects and aren’t controlling pain as the old formula would in people who really need this. Oh and someone figured a way around which has it‘s own dangers attached.
We have to remember that even though Oxy has destroyed many lives, there are people who need this and other pain controlling drugs. I have seen the damage the tighter controls have had. My gf had to call a the local state representative where she lived to pick her dying fathers meds up. The pharmacy actually called the police on her after she said she couldn‘t bring her dad in because he was dying in his own bed. And this is not an isolated incident. And this is part of our nanny law new wave culture of interference and protecting people from themselves which always looks suspiciously codie. I am sorry I have issues with nanny type laws.
What did people think would happen, it would fix the problem? It actually has created more. And all that to go after a drug company and the problem still remains as fierce as ever.
There is a clear line that maps out how we go to today on every level from as far back as history can see. But in the more recent since the 80’s, heroin got good because cocaine went to crack….all that we do the freebasing for you. So coke went to crack, heroin totally surpassed its 8 to 12 percent pure and is pure in many areas, pot had to compete and the thc levels are much higher through genetic engineering Oh and they genetically engineer the poppy and the coca. Good old crank was replace with crystal and that one is totally on the DEA, they own the meth nightmare totally. So thinking they could ban or control the active ingredient just as they did with methaqualone. Oh and for as much as they got the world to stop producing it, it is back and a huge problem more recent in South Africa
Addiction isn’t a problem of today, it is a progression of every reaction in the past that brought us to today.
And we still sink tons of money into a war on drugs that failed, we spend tons of money keeping pharmaceutical companies ethical, we spend tons of money sweeping streets, ton of money housing users in jail, and just for using, I am not even bringing the criminal aspect in…
Then we turn around on the local, state, and federal level and fine…and most favorite sick law is being in a known drug area…no drugs, hell no money in your pocket but you can and will be arrested, that one scares me… And where is the money to clean up the fallout when the streets are swept and you now left tons of craving addicts to their own devices/ Were they not going to react. They certainly won’t be looking for help, it isn’t there in that moment.
Drug addiction is big business, and not so ethical itself. Opiate treatment is run by an archaic law that gives the government total control. Everyone is making money at the expense of addicts. If addicts would actually all clean up at one time, the economic crash would probably be worse than any we have seen ever and would be felt all over the world.
And I didn’t even hit how society plays. Oh wait, hell all that didn’t cause fixes that right up, and blame will surely make it all work in ones head.
Everyone is a problem in this, the future gets better collectively if we become healthier and educated one person at a time. Then we create healthier children who have a better chance of passing that on instead of the dysfunction passed on now. This is the only fix that ever seemed to at least make sense to me.
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Incitingsilence, no one is saying pharmaceutical companies should not make a profit. Unfortunately, the term ethical profit seems to be non-existent anymore. Ethical profit would mean you make a good product and sell it where it is needed. It doesn't mean that you want to make a profit at all costs, even when you know that it will destroy many lives. IMHO, this is why capitalism will eventually fail.
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All I have to add is that my bf didn't do drugs before his car wreck back in 2006... then got hooked from the painkillers after surgery. Why pop pills when heroin is cheaper and stronger? And at least down in our hood, so much easier to find.
I was prescribed percs after my son was born and didn't even care for them, or want more...
Everyone is different. Never had an oxy though....
Its all about money. We all know that.
I was prescribed percs after my son was born and didn't even care for them, or want more...
Everyone is different. Never had an oxy though....
Its all about money. We all know that.
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They tried to prescribe me painkillers after my c-section. I had a multiple birth (triplets) so the incision was horizontal and larger than average, in order to get three good sized babies out safely. I was fine with motrin 800.
I've been to the walk-in for various things, a bladder infection, a cut finger requiring stitches, things like that. EVERY TIME I am offered pain narcotics. It is absolutely ridiculous.
I've been to the walk-in for various things, a bladder infection, a cut finger requiring stitches, things like that. EVERY TIME I am offered pain narcotics. It is absolutely ridiculous.
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