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Old 04-01-2013, 04:45 PM
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Drugs = Pleasure = Pain

I have watched this documentary twice now. It was recommended to me by two different people on this website. I thought it might be helpful to someone here.

It is an hour long, but talks in detail about what what medical science has found to occur in the brain due to drug use / addiction. About the areas of the brain that are affected, the chemicals that are released, pleasure centers of the brain, swapping addictions. And it is also interesting because I see a lot of people talking about being codependent here. This documentary has codependency down as an addiction just like gambling, and other non-substance addictions. Those types of addictive behaviors allow for chemical changes and affect the pleasure centers of the brain also. The rush, the craving.

Pleasure Unwoven Full Movie Documentary by Kevin McCauley - YouTube
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will watch..thanks!
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Thank you, I will try to watch this while I am... at work tomorrow.
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Thanks for sharing. I agree. Codependence can evolve into addiction. I see myself as no different from a person addicted to drugs except that my addiction is not on a substance. It is an addiction to a person and a set of behaviors that are unhealthy. And the payoff may very well be one that is chemically induced in my brain.

Thanks for the link. I'll take a look!

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Thank you. I just watched the whole movie and it is the best explanation of addiction I have seen yet. It sheds light on so many puzzling behaviours. People in recovery can truly be very proud of themselves.
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Thank you. I just watched the whole movie and it is the best explanation of addiction I have seen yet. It sheds light on so many puzzling behaviours. People in recovery can truly be very proud of themselves.
I was hoping to find comments on the video. It has helped me so much and Im glad it was given to me early on. I watched it the first time and I was already very emotional, exhausted but it made sense to me. And then I watched it again when I was in a better state of mind and I found it to have many of the answers I needed in regards to my husband. It explains why he took money out of our account when normally he is always careful and saving for our future. The part where they talk about the mouse (poor mouse) tapping that button over and over to deliver the drugs and ignite the chemicals to create the pleasure. Wont stop for anything and all normal logic is gone its replaced by constantly pressing that button until they die. That was my husband for the last week ! Binging on cocaine and drinking. The way he acted, its all explained.
I hope that later I can have him watch it with me, but I know that is a long ways off at this point.

Im glad you found it beneficial to watch too. I know when it says its an hour long that is a turn off, but it was well worth it to me.
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The hijacked brain, they did a good job at explain what happens in terms that can be understood. But you have to remember to watch the excuses you make and the assignments as well because all this was, was an explanation of the process the brain goes through. It never addressed the core (subtype) of a person, so … as I have been known to say … there are good and evil people in this world some happen to become addicts.

The following speaks of codependency ( thank you fair cynical one). While it might help to have some understanding of what the addicts in ones life goes through and why they are as they are. For those watching it is much more important and life saving to figure out why you are as you are.


The Brain Chemistry of Being a Loved One
~Lori Pate
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University of Texas at Austin

Many people who have loved an addict have felt like they were going insane from all the chaos, worry, regret, fear, anger, confusion and more that comes with caring for someone who is in active drug addiction.

It seems reasonable that if the addict would just stop using, everything would return to normal and a happy life would resume. There is usually more going on though. There are chemical changes happening not just in the brain of the addict, but also in the brain of the loved one.

"What? I'm not the crazy one! The addict in my life is the only one going crazy, not me!"

That isn't always true. The chemical changes in the brain of a loved one should be understood to help speed recovery. Chemical changes in the brain of someone who is constantly in a state of stress, fear, anxiety and anger are not insignificant and are accompanied by withdrawal symptoms just like an addict who stops using.

The brain uses chemical messengers, called neurotransmitters, to allow us to feel feelings. Hunger, thirst, desire, satisfaction, frustration, fear and every human emotion are felt by the activity of chemical messengers in the brain. The most important messenger in this situation is norepinephrine (also known as adrenaline).

Norepinephrine is known as the "fight or flight" chemical messenger. This chemical is what causes us to feel a rush of energy when faced with a dangerous situation. Proper activity and levels of this messenger help humans get and keep themselves safe from harm. This chemical gives us the super-human abilities to outrun an attacker or think quickly in an emergency.

When a dangerous situation is perceived, norepinephrine is released in the brain. Receptors in the brain have "parking spaces" for the chemical to "park" in, which deliver the message. Once the chemical is plugged in, we feel a burst of energy, and a drive to get ourselves safe, take action, run or fight.

After the event is over, the messenger is released from the parking spot, and recycled to use again later. We begin to feel calmer and safer. The rush subsides. Heart rates return to normal. The feelings of fear and anxiety subside.

This happens all the time in all healthy humans.

But the human brain does not like constant stimulation. As soon as we are excited from a chemical message, the brain goes to work to return levels to normal. There are several mechanisms that work to do this. First, the chemicals are picked up by "reuptake" chemicals. Think of them like a tow truck. They are constantly floating around, looking for a chemical to tow back home. Recycling the chemicals restores levels to normal.

If constant stimulation occurs, causing constant chemical messages, recycling isn't enough. So the brain, in its effort to regain a normal balance, will begin destroying the chemicals permanently. If we are constantly in fight or flight mode, the brain determines that we have too many "fight or flight" messengers, so destroys them.

For someone who actually has too much adrenaline in their brain, this is helpful. But for someone who is constantly in a situation where they really are put under stress, and are triggered to respond to fear over and over, the destruction of their chemical messengers begins to cause a brain chemistry imbalance.

There is a third mechanism that the brain uses to restore balance. After recycling and destroying the messenger chemicals, if the brain is still being over-stimulated, it will destroy the parking spaces that the chemicals plug into. These are called dendrites. Once a dendrite is destroyed,it can not be repaired. It will never again receive the chemical message it was designed to receive. It is like yanking out the phone cord of a phone that won't stop ringing. It will never ring again.

When a loved one is in a constant state of worry and fear, the brain first experiences stimulation. It feels imperative for the loved one to take action, sometimes desperate action, in an attempt to remedy the fearful situation. If this stimulation continues day after day, the brain can not tolerate the constant stimulation and starts taking action to regain balance. Adrenaline is destroyed. Receptors are destroyed.

This is when the insanity of being a loved one really takes off. The loved one is no longer chemically balanced. Several things happen at this point:

****Things that used to signal danger no longer feel so dangerous. There simply aren't enough "danger" chemicals or receptors to accurately convey the appropriate feelings. At this point loved ones may begin accepting very dangerous situations as OK. For example they may feel it is a good idea to track down a loved one at a dealer's house, or accept a loved one who is violent and abusive in their home. They may make a choice to allow a dangerous person to be around their children. This is not because the loved one just isn't making good choices. More accurately it is because their brain chemistry has been altered by the constant chaos, and they no longer have the right feelings that would initiate safe choices. Unacceptable behavior doesn't feel as truly dangerous as it is. ****

Still, some loved ones are aware enough to know they should stop being in a dangerous situation. When the loved one stops contact with the addict in their life, that is when withdrawal sets in.

Withdrawal occurs when the brain is accustomed to a particular level of chemical activity, and that level is suddenly reduced.

A loved one who has become accustomed to constant stimulation from fear and concern, who then suddenly finds themselves in a safe, calm environment, will feel withdrawal because their brains have adjusted to a high level of adrenaline.

Withdrawal symptoms cause the loved one to feel quite uncomfortable. They will feel sad, have sleep problems, and feel that something is missing or just not quite right. This will cause the loved one to feel a desire to reach back out to the chaos they were accustomed to. The chaos will cause a hit of adrenaline to occur. This is the exact same cycle that an active drug addict goes through: stimulation followed by withdrawal. Withdrawal feelings cause a desire to be stimulated again, because the brain does not like extremes.

Because the loved one who has undergone chemical changes has lower than normal adrenaline activity in the brain, they will crave stimulation. They will feel an overwhelming desire to "check on" the addict, or to take a phone call even though they know it will not have the end result of a pleasant conversation. They will engage in arguments that they know have no possibility of being resolved while the addict in their life is still in active addiction. The will feel drawn back to the fear and worry they just escaped.

An extreme example of this is seen when a battered spouse continues to return to their abuser despite having other options.

This is the brain chemistry side of the chaos cycle of being a loved one.

So does it ever get better?

Yes! It absolutely can get better.

The human body can make more adrenaline, to replace what was destroyed when under constant stress. Not quickly, but slowly, it can replenish the levels of adrenaline so that the person feels normal, without needing chaos in their life to achieve a balance.

The human body makes neurochemicals from our food intake. A healthy, protein rich diet gives the body the building blocks it needs to make more adrenaline. Regular light exercise, a normal sleep pattern, a safe environment, and a healthy diet will help the brain recover.
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The Brain Chemistry of Being a Loved One
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I don't know if you watched the video but it speaks of codependency too. It is considered an addiction just like gambling and other non substance addictions. The video explains it much like the article but it's more visual. It follows a similar path to direct drug stimulation in the brain. The article speaks also to swapping addictions in the same way, or multiple addictions like substance abuse and gambling or codependency. Your article validates it though, thanks for adding it in here.
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I don't know if you watched the video but it speaks of codependency too. It is considered an addiction just like gambling and other non substance addictions. The video explains it much like the article but it's more visual. It follows a similar path to direct drug stimulation in the brain. The article speaks also to swapping addictions in the same way, or multiple addictions like substance abuse and gambling or codependency. Your article validates it though, thanks for adding it in here.
very true. my celebrate recovery group has opiate addicts, alcoholics, codependents, and gamblers. we all work the 8 principles in the same way, we just have different DOCs
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I didn't see that the video was trying to justify addiction at all. It merely explained why it is a disease and exactly what happens in the brain of an addict, especially during later stages and why it is so difficult to quit.

The video helps me to look at addiction without emotion. I don't have to get angry, I don't have to take it personal and I can also see that despite endless promises, the addict will not quit unless there is a huge desire to do so. In a way it truly shows what wasted effort codependency is.
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Pleasure Unwoven Video and AVRT

If you have seen this video, I suggest also balancing it with the Crash Course on the AVRT website. The founder's 'Structural Model of Addiction' is based on this knowledge of brain functions, and presents a completely different perspective of Addiction Recovery. His model is much more simplistic, and leaves out some of the more complex dysfunctional processes caused by addiction, but the alternate perspective of 'Recovery' has definitely been the most valuable contribution to my own recovery.

I have found the AVRT method to enhance my interaction with AA and other Recovery practices, because it helps me discern what is genuine from what is just rationalization of perpetuating addiction.
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Of course I watched it, already knowing the process. I have also been personally through all them classes on that periodic table of drugs and non drugs.
And I know about all the models of addiction, disease, moral, genetic, social …

Why I wrote what I wrote is because in a sick mind this could help someone to justify why the ones they love are as they are, missing that maybe they might just be evil and the drugs had nothing to do with that.

As I wrote above it is nice to have some understanding of what they are going through but they are not our problem we are.

And codependency already knew that was an addiction, long before it was ever spoken of in circles like this. How dare anyone suggest the family is sick … oh please. Could watching the video help one who is codie, yeah maybe, but surely it was given to marshmellow to help explain her partner not herself. And everyone on this board should be here to find their whys, no one else’s because that is the only thing that will give them a chance at all the endless possibilities this life has to offer.
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I was glued to the whole thing. I thought it was such a well-done documentary. And it is so true that we have allowed the legal system to treat substance abuse by jailing the people. Yes, they need to be held accountable. But is that all we can do as a society? And the background on how we got there (because the medical professionals deemed it a choice based on their model) was eye-opening and answered a lot of questions for me.

I hope to see this author go further. Because my AS is actively using, I was hoping he would address the question of what truly moves an addict toward accepting help and, more importantly, what does not help (besides the clichés of "don't judge, get educated, they feel bad enough, etc."). Do the un-recovering co-dependents watch that documentary and think that the answer then is to just get the addict away from drugs (by whatever means necessary) and wait for brain healing to kick in and then the addict just chooses sobriety because of that? Does that documentary (and others like it) make the recovering addict think that somebody should have stepped in sooner and interrupted him/her so that they would not have had to get that far into it? The son of Bill Moyer (from PBS), on telling his story of his addiction, inferred that very thing - that somebody let him down (I do not think he knows exactly who) because he was not stopped early in his use.

That was a great Part 1. I want Part 2!
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I was glued to the whole thing. I thought it was such a well-done documentary. And it is so true that we have allowed the legal system to treat substance abuse by jailing the people. Yes, they need to be held accountable. But is that all we can do as a society? And the background on how we got there (because the medical professionals deemed it a choice based on their model) was eye-opening and answered a lot of questions for me.

I hope to see this author go further. Because my AS is actively using, I was hoping he would address the question of what truly moves an addict toward accepting help and, more importantly, what does not help (besides the clichés of "don't judge, get educated, they feel bad enough, etc."). Do the un-recovering co-dependents watch that documentary and think that the answer then is to just get the addict away from drugs (by whatever means necessary) and wait for brain healing to kick in and then the addict just chooses sobriety because of that? Does that documentary (and others like it) make the recovering addict think that somebody should have stepped in sooner and interrupted him/her so that they would not have had to get that far into it? The son of Bill Moyer (from PBS), on telling his story of his addiction, inferred that very thing - that somebody let him down (I do not think he knows exactly who) because he was not stopped early in his use.

That was a great Part 1. I want Part 2!
That is so funny you said this part : "I want Part 2" because that is what I was thinking after it ended. Like ok all that made sense, now continue...

Ive not been dealing with my husbands issues for long. He went through most of this before we met. His relapse was a shock to me. I spent a week thinking he would snap out of it, and then was reading things and realized, he needs something to help him snap out of it, and then he needs to go back to see his psychologist. (who he hadnt seen in 6 or 7 months). For me, watching the video and getting an understanding of how the brain is affected, it made me humble realizing Im not equipped to help him. And while the video says once a person stops the brain hold a memory and will always recall how the drug stimulated it and made it feel happier than anything else possiby ever could ,because it is a manufactured high unlike love, hugs that I could ever offer him. It reinforced he needed to work on training himself to deal with the cravings, and be aware of his body and emotions. It showed me how brave he has been all these years coping with this, and although he relapsed I still have so much respect for him getting himself out of that situation years ago. He learned so much back then, now he has to call on it again to help him pull out of this. And lots of prayers dont hurt either.
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Sorry about your husband relapsing
I will watch the documentary; I love stuff like this anyway, and it sounds very interesting. Thanks for sharing it, never heard this one mentioned before.
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Marshmallow: I hope and pray your husband finds his way quickly to his recovery support. But, yes, doesn't this documentary make you realize the futility of our un-educated efforts to "get through" to our beloved addicts! It sure reinforces me.

I remember reading in a book about the answer to a mother's question of what it would take to get her daughter to reach her bottom. "Pain, pain, and more pain," was the counselor's reply. C.S. Lewis said (and I am paraphrasing), "Pain is God's way of screaming out to a broken soul."

Interrupting what is going on in that brain is bigger than humans but, fortunately, not bigger than our beloved Higher Power who desires freedom for our beloved addicts even more than we do.

Thanks for that link...

Have a great day!
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My husband has now reached out for help. I am so thankful. It is early and I dont know what will happen yet of course. I think it was several things brought him to this point. His dad coming and working with him based on past experience, my leaving to show he hurt me and I was scared, and because he had a problem years ago, he had a plan in place with his business partner in the case of relapse. So he now will be out of work for a month minimum unpaid, and he has to get some professional help, and will have to do drug testing for a few months. He has options on this, but looks like he wants to use his psychologist (who he hadnt seen in about 7 months). Yesterday he went to meet with him and they devised a treatment plan. I am praying he takes it seriously. I talked to his doctor a couple times during the binging, and he was wonderful in all he shared with me about addiction, relapse, and he also has faith my husband can get through this.

This video has helped me a lot. It takes away much of the emotion, and even anger thinking using is a simple choice. It is very complex what goes on in the brain.
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