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Old 11-30-2011, 03:35 PM
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From Norco to Oxy.. recovery begins.

Hello all,

I'm a 27 year old fairly healthy male, 6'0" 170lbs, and I've been struggling with opiates for close to 3 years. I started off doing the 10/325 yellow norcos and really enjoyed the euphoria it provided me. I would take maybe 2 or 3 every couple days, especially when I was doing something "fun" - like going bowling, the movies, mini golf, going on dates, etc. I was ignorant to it at first, just thinking if I take a few every now and then everything will be okay! Well, within a few weeks that progressed into about 2-3 every day, and as the tolerance grew, the dosage grew... up to about 15-18 a day. At that point I was introduced to the little blue roxi's by a "friend." He said they are more powerful than like 5 norcos, so I decided to give one a try. Bad idea.

I already was aware a problem was arising after getting to 10+ norcos a day, so I thought, "well the roxi's are so powerful, maybe I can stick to 1 or 2 every other day or something." Yeah, sure. It started that way. Before I knew it I was doing 3-4 30mg roxi's a day, then I got up to about 7 a day and ran out of them, and money. I had an orange suboxone on hand a friend had given me like a few weeks before, so I decided trying it about 12 hours after my last dose. WHOOPS. That put me INTO full-fledged W/D! I was so bad, first vomiting vile, then vomiting blood. About 4 times total. I called everyone to bring me something, anything, but it was 2am and nobody was answering. So I said time to call 911. As I was dialing the 9-1 my cell phone rang. My friend had gotten out of bed at 2 o'clock in the morning to come and bring me a couple OP 40s and like 10 norcos with some nausea medicine. I immediately took a 40, about 5 norcos and 3 nausea pills. Within 45 minutes or so I was almost back to normal.

That experience woke me up and made me think to myself, I was going to die. If not, I was going to call an ambulance and my life would be ruined. I've kept this from close friends and family, and most still don't know. I went on to take suboxone and subutex for about 2 months and it made all the oxy cravings and desire go away. Well, when I stopped the subs a couple days later I wasn't feeling too well. I was down at a local casino and my "friend" gave me a roxi. What the hell am I thinking? This thing almost killed me a few months ago! Well, stupid is as stupid does. I took the little blue *******. Obviously, I felt tremendous and I was back to square one. Hooked on oxy's. What a freaking powerful drug this is.

Over the past 5 days I've gone from 90-120mg a day to about 30mg a day, increasingly feeling a little worse. Well, just this morning I ended up taking my last 15mg roxi (I cut a 30 in half) and decided I'm not going through this again. So it's been exactly 6 hours since this writing where I've consumed my last bit of oxycodone. I know what I'm in for. I went to the store today and bought Bragg's Apple Cider Vinegar, B-Complex, Vitamin C, a multivitamin, gatorade, water and Immodium AD. At least I'll be prepared this time for the days ahead.

Sorry for the long story. But I'm here today to talk about this horrible drug that has ruined people's lives, including mine. I am ready to start the uncomfortable, challenging withdrawal process WITHOUT subs, just plain cold turkey. It's not going to be easy, but I've mentally committed myself to it, and I'm ready to embrace this devil. Cause I'm going to beat it. For good.
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Wow. Your story hit me.

I had no idea of the power of opiates until just a few years ago. I knew about "addicts", sure that nobody like me could ever be one.

It doesn't much matter why you started taking them. My reason was "legitimate", severe osteoarthritis, then two total knee replacement surgeries, then another major surgery, all in the course of a couple of years. At the end of all that, oxys had me. What at first seemed like a wonder drug gradually became toxic to me and all I felt was sick, most of the time anyway. Funny how you always remember the euphoria and the "good" way oxys can make you feel, at least at first.

We may have gotten there by different routes, but the end result was the same. Addiction to a drug that drains your life from you, on many levels. For me, I'm in a profession that doesn't tolerate opiate users as members. Oh, there are plenty of them, most of whom are covertly using. Any over users don't stay long. Even if it weren't for that, being an opiate addict is no way to live.

You are doing the right thing. I toyed with the idea of replacement drugs, but in the end I wanted to be rid of all the hooks, including the doctor waiting rooms and pharmacies, where I spent so much of my time in a cold sweat, sick, waiting to pick up more drug. So I did the cold turkey route. I did try tapering all last year, and it was impossible for me. I've told the story many times here, so I won't repeat it now.

I've been clean almost a year. I've felt pretty good the past few months. It took me months to feel "recovered" physically, and the mental trip is probably life long. Young guys seem to have an easier go than really really old people like me.

Good luck. This is not just possible, but vital to a productive and healthy life. I don't know of ANY addicts who can describe their life that way. Just about all of them I've met hope to stop. Hoping to stop isn't enough though. It takes real conviction to get through the early detox, then staying clean is next.

I'm glad to see you here. This is a great place to garner support.

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Thanks for the replies and words of encouragement failedtaper! I'm now 10 hours in since my last dose. I feel slight body temperature changing and very mild chills. I'm not looking forward to the morning.

God bless you all who have recovered and who are trying to get over this terrible addiction.
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Hang in there. You're right.......the first few days aren't pleasant. I just got through day four and was actually able to do a little yard work and say no to my drug dealer. Putting all the wd's aside, it really felt great to say no. I was able to take back a little power that I've lost over the last 12 years. Tomorrow is another day.....
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Dave, I prayed for you, I have been there before going thru the opiate withdrawal. I can remember telling my husband after I had taken my last pill. (He had absolutely NO IDEA) Poor guy, he was so disappointed in me.

I slept by the bathroom and was sick a couple few days, but guess what? The days pilied up and now I have 11 months and I feel incredible!!

I think by about day 11 or so the sickies were COMPLETELY gone.

You can do it, we are pulling for you Dave!

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Old 11-30-2011, 08:53 PM
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Praying for you Dave. You CAN do this!!
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Thank you so much guys, that really means a lot to me. Congrats on 11 months Lily! I'm about 17 hours in and I'm up at 3AM after a couple hours of sleep. The Restless Leg Syndrome thing has really started to kick in, it's brutal
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Hi gravydave! Congrats on taking on this huge step to saying goodbye to this powerful drug forever. I have struggled with it for years myself. I was in denial for the longest time. I thought Ireal could control it, and that I did not have a problem. But yes, there is a problem when you can't take your pills as prescribed, and will do anything to get more when you run out, including rummaging through peoples pills for anything looking for anything to make you feel better. Something I am very ashamed of, as I am not that kind of person, or so I thought.

Something I always found amazing... When you read the side effects on that sheet of paperwork you get from the pharmacy. They list oxy as a drug that has a small chance of dependence. I think that is bs. It is highly addictive, and should be discussed more with a dr before starting it.

One Suggestion I have for you. once you make it through the initial parts of w/d, PLEASE don't go back! You'll feel ok and think, one pill won't hurt. But if you do it, you will just end up feeling worse than next time you decide to quit. I just did that, 10 days clean, feeling pretty good, and then decided a couple pills wouldn't hurt. Boy was I wrong! But either way this mini slip up showed me I have no power over this drug, and I will never touch it again!!

Good luck to you, you can make it. oh, one more thing that is helping me... I am not dwelling on how cruddy I feel. Just making myself get up and move. Helps take your mind off everything, and reminds you that you can lead a normal life without pills!!
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hi gravydave,
U R strong and U can Do this!!!!
no matter how bad it gets , remember what got u here and that ur going to beat it!!!
Just a few more bad days and then think, how good u will feel, it is nice and peaceful!!
We are all here for u and wish u the best and U CAN dO it!!!!!!
Say some prayers they helped me,really..
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Thanks so much for the kind words and hopeful thoughts. Surprisingly, I do feel bad, but not *that* bad! It's somewhat bearable. I'm about 32 hours in but I've been trying to deal with it. I couldn't sleep last night, and right now I'm having the chills pretty bad. I'm highly unmotivated, it was a challenge to walk upstairs and get in the shower today. But no vomiting so that's good I guess!

I'm gonna try and go for a jog later if I feel up to it. Do you guys think the worst is yet to come? I'm trying not to think about it. I do have thoughts of just ONE pill would make me feel sooo much better, but why do that to myself'? I'll just feel like crap again the next morning and probably look for another. Definitely acknowledging it's a stupid idea so I really don't believe I'll go back to it!

Thanks again everyone who's replying. Even if I don't get many replies here maybe it will personally help me to write everything out and get me through this mess. People here truly are inspirational!
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Worst to come? Well, at 32 hours you are right in the middle of day 2. Most people find the third and fourth days the worst. But, hey it's all relative, and it's all degrees of bad.

For me, I could not do anything AT ALL the first week. Going to the bathroom was a huge feat (getting there and back, I mean). Showering? Ha! Hot baths were good, as long as the water stayed hot. I felt hot and cold all at once, no temperature was right, and I was chilled whether I felt hot or cold.

Truly, I think the extreme lethargy was the hardest to deal with, together with the insomnia. I never knew that one could feel so tired and yet not be able to sleep. At all. Crazy racing thoughts followed the insomnia, and any sleeping I did the first few weeks felt more like a weird hallucination.

So, how bad is REAL bad? How bad is kinda bad? My suggestion is try to avoid anything you don't have to do for a couple of weeks at least. Drink tons of fluid. Working out is probably not on the agenda. There isn't enough energy for it. Restless legs, restless body is tough. Reading is something I would normally do to occupy myself, but I couldn't retain a sentence to the end of a page the first weeks of detox.

I often tell people to "embrace" the misery, because it is in fact a good sign of the drug leaving your system. Your barren receptor sites will scream at you to give them more drug, but later on you'll make new ones that function normally, and the feeling of a natural endorphin "high" is pretty cool when the opiates have blocked that normal response for a long time. It takes a few weeks or months to come back, though.

This is hard, but well worth it. The freedom from pills, doctors, pharmacies, or whatever way you got your drug before, is fantastic. Keep going. This is but a drop of time over the course of the rest of your life.

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Hi GravyDave
I just finished day 5 and it was tough, but looking back bearable. My mind was telling me it was worse than it was. I guess what's preventing me from taking more drugs ( besides financially.....day 5 $1000 saved!) is that I always told myself that tomorrow I'll quit. That was 12 years of tomorrow's that never came. Well Dave, tomorrow came 5 days ago. I needed to get off this crazy ride of drug seeking, money seeking, getting sick when I ran out until I was able to restock. Knowing that I don't have more coming tomorrow is actually making me LESS anxious. When I was waiting on more pills, I would hibernate until I got them because I had convinced myself that I needed them to do absolutely anything at all. We talk about triggers? Everything has become a trigger for me. Getting out of bed, taking a shower, paying bills, housework, even picking up the phone to call a friend. I have to go to work tomorrow, can't avoid it.........another trigger for sure. I'm just really tired of this roller coaster ride and it's time to rebuild myself and my finances. I pray I can make it through another drug free day. One day at a time for me.
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Thanks so much for the kind words and hopeful thoughts. Surprisingly, I do feel bad, but not *that* bad! It's somewhat bearable. I'm about 32 hours in but I've been trying to deal with it. I couldn't sleep last night, and right now I'm having the chills pretty bad. I'm highly unmotivated, it was a challenge to walk upstairs and get in the shower today. But no vomiting so that's good I guess!

I'm gonna try and go for a jog later if I feel up to it. Do you guys think the worst is yet to come? I'm trying not to think about it. I do have thoughts of just ONE pill would make me feel sooo much better, but why do that to myself'? I'll just feel like crap again the next morning and probably look for another. Definitely acknowledging it's a stupid idea so I really don't believe I'll go back to it!

Thanks again everyone who's replying. Even if I don't get many replies here maybe it will personally help me to write everything out and get me through this mess. People here truly are inspirational!
Good morning gravydave! Welcome to day 2! One thing I can say is DON'T take one pill to make it better. Cause when that pill wears off, you will feel worse than you did the first time you stopped. Just push through. I had a great day on day 5, then some bad ones. But the bad ones get further apart and the good ones closer together!

I say if you can get up and move, do it! You don't have to run a marathon or anything. But I have found some movement helps with the muscle pain and takes your mind off how crappy you feel.

KeepPosting, people are here to listen. And sometimes it is nice to know you are not the only one that has had this issue. Yoare not alone!!

G otta run... Kiddo is yelling for my attention.
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Thumbs up Just ONE day at a time

TODAY you can do this! I am really glad that your WDs are tolerable. Its crazy how our bodies respond sometimes. You would think that every time a person tries to quit, the degree of the symptoms would be the same. Considering you have the experience of the instant WD you experienced with the Suboxone, nothing will come close to that. Don't be concerned about your level of motivation. Right now it is about you getting better. Water works miracles! I know the thought of tackling this addiction as a whole can be overwhelming at times, but what can appear to be a HUGE hurtle becomes a mere crack in the sidewalk if we can take it day by day. You are doing a great job! Keep posting. We are cheering for you and have you in our prayers.
Congrats at working to get your life back.
P.S. Prove to yourself how serious you are about this...flush what ever you have in the house. It is so scarey at first, but once its done, it is the most liberating feeling. You don't NEED them anymore. If you think you do...its just the addicted part of your brain trying to regain the control it has had for so long.
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You guys truly are incredible. Thank you so so much. If I were to talk to my friends about this they would just say "man up dave" or "grow some balls and deal with it" etc. As if they know what detoxing from roxicodone feels like.

End of Day 2 / beginning of Day 3 did indeed become increasingly worse. The chills are incredibly hard to deal with! Racing thoughts.... picking up the phone, putting down the phone, telling myself to tough it out. I'm hanging strong but I have to admit, I want to use so bad. Not letting myself though. I've been listening to music and that's kinda helping lift my spirits. I definitely don't feel like exercising or doing much of anything for that matter.

Cassandra, great job on staying strong. I'm going to do everything in my power to make it to Day 4. Like you said, one hour at a time, one day at a time.

You guys were able to make me crack a smile today, so keep up the words of encouragement! I read your posts over and over again. I honestly think if I didn't find this site, I would have used by now. I just wish I could get a few hours of sleep but that's definitely not going to happen yet. And I have to remind myself, it's all just a part of the process..
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Hi Dave I've been keeping a journal to keep track of how I've been feeling. Got through day 6 today! I have good news and bad news. Day 3 was really bad for me. Night sweats, headaches, no motivation at all. I slept as much as I could because quite frankly, I didn't have the energy to even get dressed. The good news is, I gelt sooooo much better on day 4! I even took my dog out for a couple of hours. Hang in there! I've never made it past day 3, and there have been many of those. In my opinion, you're almost past the hump. Please keep posting and let us know how you're doing. Keeping a journal ( if only a few lines) helps. Btw, I've never in my life kept a journal lol. It helps to look back and see how crappy you felt and a good reminder that you don't want to do it over again.
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Hi GravyDave. How are you doing today? Still hanging in there with the rest of us?
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Hey Cassandra, thanks for checking on me! I'm here, barely. I'm not motivated to do a single thing Day 3 was pretty bad, and Day 4 isn't much better. Maybe I'll have a better day tomorrow? I hope so.

How have you been handling things? I've seen a few of your posts in other threads. Maybe I should start posting over there as well.

The mental combat of it all is just as brutal as the physical withdrawals. I keep fighting myself not to pick that phone up and make the call. But I really don't want to go through Day 2-4 again. That's what's keeping me strong. I'm basically just laying on the couch watching TV and lots of movies.

Thanks again and again for everyone's support and kind words!
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Hey GravyDave, I hope today is looking up for you. I am on day 9 and it's starting to ease up a little. Just wanted to throw you a lifeline of support and let you know that you aren't alone in this battle.
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