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Old 06-16-2007, 10:28 PM
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Is everyone subject to addiction?

I've been thinking a bit...one my strengths and certainly one of my weaknesses/downfalls.

Does everyone suffer an addiction?

You can be addicted to sobriety, God, booze, pills, weed, [insert your DOC here]. At what point does what ever it is we are hoping to acheive stop becoming our main interest?

The only reason I ask is because I've managed to find addiction in everyone - even "normies" have addictions, be it chocolate, making fun of others due to insecurity, etc.

Biologically we are hard-wired for positive reinforcement. If something makes us "feel good" we do it again as long as the response echos it's derivative and gives us a feeling of saftey. Once that safety is breeched do we consider it a problem?

This raises the question, what is "safety." Finances, love, physical composition.

I've often found that I replace my addiction of chemicals with body-building. But in thinking more, the more cut and big I get the more "society" applauds, as if to fuel my new addiction, because well, according to society, "It's okay to bodybuild if it is positively affecting your life." You can insert anything in [bodybuild], you can use coffee, you can use meetings, you can use SR, you can use anything that you feel is bring you to a happier place in society.

So is it all utilitarianism in the end? I have to confess I've been drinking...yet again - three days of a wedding and finally I crumbled...I couldn't fight it anymore, and I lost - but I noticed the "normies", who actually aren't so "normal", we all have our vices.

So is the real key to find your vice and establish utilitarianism?

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Old 06-16-2007, 11:05 PM
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IMO...

No..not everyone has addictive inclinations and behaviors.

We are just the lucky ones.

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Old 06-16-2007, 11:11 PM
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PR -

You might be onto something that everyone has 'something' ... the diff being that there's definitely a percent of the population who aren't at the EFFECT of theirs, is all.

They call 'em "passions".
From what I hear, I mean.
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Barb Wyer...

By George..I think she's got it!!!

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Old 06-16-2007, 11:25 PM
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... I've also heard them referred to as 'hobbies' on occasion ...

this from my permanent perspective of the OUTSIDE ... looking IN ...
and will more than likely remain *theory* in the 'Book of Barb'.

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As far as I know, an addiction isn't one unless it disrupts your life and makes your life unmanageable.
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Old 06-16-2007, 11:31 PM
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Alright you two, alright...

Barb,
I just can't seem to imagine that many of the lives that consider "everthing in moderation, moderation in everything rule," truly exist.

The acceptance of that very rule disproves itself does it not?

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A P.S. from PR, I'm sorta in love, in a recovery way, with Barb.
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mmm..Gravity.
the stuff that keeps pulling us down and it takes
a whole hell of a lot of energy to try to keep a float
when i can't walk on water..lol

if you wanna play you gotta paid and the damn e-ticket
ride has a hell of an inflation price tag on it...

It's not so much of what I do....it just this complex
that I have, call..." never enough".

Then to top is off...there's this thing inside of me..
thats like a damn vacume kind of like a black hole
it sucks everything even light... into god know's where ?

But i read somewhere..that some godess or an angle
was having a conversation with this almighty of creation.
The experince or the meaning of a human life.
The angle had the key that would unlock all the doors
to the all the answers...
so creation ask where should the key be hidden..or put
so man can sought after it ?
On top of a moutain ?
under the ocean ?
on the north pole ?
in a cave ?..
in a fountain ?

The godess replied..."lets put it in their hearts inside of them,
it'll be the last place they'll look...it'll be one hell of a prank."
but they'll all have a shot at it...lol

i guess that's why everybody has problems
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Thanks ST.

At times I don't understand, but I yet sometimes I do.

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Well..i actaully passed the damn soberiety test..
when i was f-up out of my mind and recited
the alphabits backwards...lol
then he made me count backwards from 89 to 54..lol

The booze and drugs was in my head.. i wasn't
thinking correctly ..and the way I was raised ..I wasn't
so sure if that totally f@#$ up in my head..to begin with.
and beats the hell out of me how right everyone's perception
or thinking is...

So I just follow my heart. I felt that peace inside
of me as a child...my innocents my purity.
As life went on..people in life started filling my heads
of what was right or what was wrong..But as
i got older or aged..it made my heart dark and i felt
sick . I had a gut feeling... slowly I forgot who i was...
so i did like everyone seeking always seeking from the
outside to cover up the truth. The way I was thinking
or my thoughts was rampant to keep me pre-occupied..
i became a slave to it all..but there was always a part of
me that wasn't totally gone. i felt it everytime before I
took a drink...it was subtle..but it was always there..
becuase truth is truth. nothing real can be threathen .

In other words i can't think my way into it.
all i have to do is accept it.
I can think of a billion reasons not to...but ya see...it's just thinking.

well you know...it's like what Red wrote on another thread..
" JUST DROP IT "..how if wired..that's my brain..

I'm not my brain..My brain is just another part of my
body..it's not more or lest then anyother part of my body.
I guess ...thinking make it so....there you go thinking again.lol
What my brain thinks dosen't change who I truly am.
I'm greater than my brain...I'm the master.
The brain is just a tool my creater gave me to use..
not for it to use me...or other brains to use me..

Well..just beucase my brain thinks I'm not an alcoholic..
dose that change the truth ???
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Why...keep an openmind ???
Perhaps just so i can the hell out of it...

yes..i can be so openminded that my brain might fall out
But i can also think so damn much that my brain will truned
into moosh..lol

Use my head and follow my heart..

Not use my heart and follow my head..
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wow saTIT ... good stuff.

sounds like something outa 'barb's world' ... sorta.

one thing -

we are not our thoughts.
we are the THINKER of our thoughts.

the mind is not the brain.
the mind USES the brain to transmit.
the brain is really more a battery.
maybe a capacitor.
or a diode.
or a crucible.

hehe.
barb's world.
all over the place.
sorry.

I love this, though -
yes..i can be so openminded that my brain might fall out
heehee. Good One.
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Something just came to mind the Apostle Paul once said..

He asked God to not allow him to become so rich that he would

have no need of God...

Nor to become so poor that he would be tempted to steal..

Secondly, I would like to point out that contentment is something that is

learned. To the Philippians Paul wrote: "Not that I speak in regard to need,

for I have learned in whatever state I am, to be content" (Phil. 4:11).

I would assume that even Paul struggled with extremes.

Wow...

I do not know if you can relate to this concerning extreme inclinations and

behaviors.. but I can...

BTW Purple..

I noticed your sig...

Ol' C.S. is my all time favorite and beloved author..

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PurpleReign wrote:
Barb,
I just can't seem to imagine that many of the lives that consider "everthing in moderation, moderation in everything rule," truly exist. The acceptance of that very rule disproves itself does it not?
That's what I mean.
In 'the book of barb' ... it's gonna just have to remain a 'concept' to me.
I can't get there from here. LOL

A P.S. from PR, I'm sorta in love, in a recovery way, with Barb.
(((Barb)))
*blush*
(in a recovery way)


ok.
I don't care what anybody says:
I'm printing that one out and putting it on the fridge for a while.

PR, you've no idea how much I needed to read something like that tonight.

no.
idea.

and that, folks ... was a God Thing.

************** HP }}}}}}}

*giggle*

****{PR}}}

oh, what the heck -

************************** everybody }}}}}}}}}}}}}}
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Yeah..those little "perks I get here mean so much sometimes..

Sometimes we just need (need..oooh that word)..

But heck! It's true...

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IO -

I read someplace recently that Tolkien and Lewis were buds. Used to hang out and stuff. I never knew that.
wow.
Can you imagine what THAT bs session in the bar musta been like????
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Hhhaaaaaa!!!

Intelligent and extremely eloquent bs tho.

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I read someplace recently that Tolkien and Lewis were buds. Used to hang out and stuff.
When I read that I was immediately reminded that Gene Roddenberry and Rod Serling were also like us.

Makes perfect sense to me.........................Star Trek and Twilight Zone, of course, out of the mind of an alkie, rofl, yep. When I first learned that it made perfect sense to me why I liked both shows so much, and really liked everything Rod Serling did. lmao

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Old 06-17-2007, 10:57 AM
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I think I just need to stop thinking so damn much, I'm making recovery a hell of a lot more difficult than it was ever meant to be.

Barb,
Cool explanation of the mind and brain.

IO and Laurie,
Yep, I'll bet that would be an awesome BS fest with Tolk and Lewis. I have what some may consider a "shrine" in my office with all of Lewis' works, including a reprint of Lewis being featured on the cover of Time magazine. I even bought the books that influenced his conversion to Christianity.

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I think I just need to stop thinking so damn much, I'm making recovery a hell of a lot more difficult....

By George..I think HE'S got it!

Bless your heart Purple..

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