New Member: Need advice/Sorry, very long, heavy on the heart

Old 01-14-2007, 09:06 PM
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Dear Members,
I'm new to a online support group, and adult children support group, but done a lot of therapy and other support groups: Heres my problem; (forgive the co-dependant backslide here)!
My husband's family lives several states away and the 18 years we've been married, I have tried to keep some form of family tie with my husband's family because of our child and because I feel he will regret attempting some contact, inspite of being burned by them every time.

Last attempt was 3 years ago, we actually went and did Christmas with them and my husband's sibs, it was strained but it always is, but my husband did it for his mom, me, and our daughter.
This year one week before Xmas, I called my m-i-law and she told me that she has cancer for the 2nd time, and to make a long story short, my husband has yet to talk to her, and doesn't want too. Short version is that he says he does not feel anything towards them as being his family, and since they make no efforts hardly at all to contact us(only through b'day, Xmas,and thank you cards) what could I say?

Sadly, like all dysf. families they (especially his mom) has used him as the black sheep to project blame of his rebellious youth, as the reason his father, during my husband's childhood, was drunk and be abusive, especially since my husband's the oldest.

In 18 years of marriage, this woman has never said one good thing about her son to me, he's almost 50 now. Dad is still a full blown alcoholic and mom says "as long as he is not bothering anyone, leave him alone". Sadly the entire family continues to hold a grudge that "if my husband had been a better son his father wouldn't have been so abusive". Although his father was abusive to his mother also for many years and apparently from what little I've heard from my s-i-law, at times he must still be, because when he is drunk he is a jerk. (She has never given any details, nor has anyone else, its a private thing) My husband has told me plenty of stories!

My husband's family reads like John Bradshaw's "The Family", and everyone continues to "ignore" the alcoholism, and the enabler, and the other sibs play the "problem child" due to chronic illiness and the other "the total over achiever", all acting like the only problem is my husband's problem, (not being a good son the way they think he should).

Three days before Xmas, I get this call from the over-achiever who chewed me out for 40 minutes telling me what a terrible son and brother my husband is because he makes no effort to call and stay in contact, or call his mother.
I'm also told that my husband's mother said he didn't even talk to her when we visited 3 years ago at Christmas, and blah, blah, blah, all not true, (I know I saw for my own eyes) but still all I heard was critism about us.

My mother-in-law and sister-in-law have been a nightmare in my life, and treated me like dirt, anytime they've had something to say to my husband, they're chicken and tell me off instead. I've got several grudges against me because they "faithfully" send Christmas, birthday, and thank you notes, but they won't call even though they are encouraged too, and it's free to call us, yet even when I do contact them, or attempt any kind of relationship, I'm quickly put in my slug status, so I decided this past year, this is not my responsibility to do this, and why should I when I had my own issues to deal with, so I'm told off for forgetting her children's birthday's, not once her asking me why I forgot, (my own mother could have died).

This woman even sent me one of those stupid christmas letters of "updates" that she sends out to everyone she knows at Christmas, right after she sent me the sympathy card when my brother committed suicide 3 weeks earlier, (this was some years ago), but all everyone hears from her is everything in her life "is perfect, perfect, perfect! Here I was reeling from losing my only brother, that I loved so much, to suicide because he couldn't deal with his painful childhood memories, and I get a stupid letter from her telling everyone how "life is perfect, and her perfect husband did this and child accomplished this....!" I could not even believe it! No phone calls, to say, hey how are you holding up? Never!@
In the phone call this year, she went on to tell me that if we didn't care to call my husband's parents now while they are living, why bother even coming to their funeral when they died, (which my husband has already said he probably wouldn't even go to their funeral anyways since he doesn't even know them). I do call his parents but I act like they could care less if they talk to me, I've even had them say in the past, very rudely "I want to talk to my grandchild!", when all they had to say is, hey hows....can I talk to her?

When I got the call this year from the angry sib,
I could have gone off on her (which I've never done), I really felt bad for her because I knew she was hurt and upset about her mom, but after 40 minutes I decided my husband needed to talk to her and I carried the phone outside and handed it to him and told him "your sister's very hurt" talk to her, when he answered, she HUNG up! So he calls her back and she won't answer the phone, and its been 2 wks and she has not contacted us, even though I had encouraged her to tell him how she felt in a letter earlier in the conversation.
I'm really mad at my behavior that once again I let them be abusive to me, and got put in the scapegoat role with them, and I haven't contacted any of them since then. Whats the point when I know I will only get the more of the same and all the aner they feel towards my husband.

My husband has had little therapy concerning his parents, and yes all the 13characteristics apply to him. We are both from abusive backgrounds, but neither us drink, etc....(because we know we both suffer from addictive personalities), and even though I know this is his issue and he is responsible for his own emotional health, I'm finding very hard not to reply to this "snotty" sister, who has never had a day of therapy in her life and slap her with a few books, like "Adult Children of Alcoholics", JB's The family, and as she angrily said to me "lets just lay the card on the table" and say it for what it is, I'm sick of her "fake attitude", and her "logical answers", when she has never gotten past being the "perfect daughter", on her 3 rd marriage,

I feel like writing my husband's parents and tell them, that if they would remember that 5 year old little boy that ran down the basement every night to hide with his baby brother, because Dad came home drunk and raging, and excepted some of their responsibility concerning their son's hurt and rejection, and their continued critisms, inspite of his good efforts, maybe he would want a relationship with them, its hard not to take a defender's position when they continue to be abusive emotionally and make no efforts to reach out to us and especially realize his pain!

We could be killed in a car accident tomorrow and his family would never know because they never contact us. My husband spent years calling them when my step children where young and his parents never called any of them, even to this day. My step children finally quit calling them because they said, after years of calling the g.parents, they got tired of doing all the calling.

Even now,theres my daughter (their only grand daughter) and they have never tried to know her, she gets birthday and holiday cards with some $ and love...Grandpa/Grandma ..but they never call or write to her, their only contact by phone is when I have called them.

Am I wrong in wanting to do this, I really don't know how to handle it, but I'm tired of the crap that they keep blaming us for..
What would you do?
Guess I'm blowing the Al-non concept out the water! Its hard to forgive someone who continues to give you abuse and pain.
Thanks for listening!
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Old 01-14-2007, 09:36 PM
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First, welcome to the board.

Are you wrong for WANTING to do this? There is no right or wrong when it comes to wishes and wants. The real question is "will it be in my best interest to do this?" My guess is that the answer is no.

They have you playing their game. Writing them a letter just makes you another scapegoat, and more deeply entrenches you in the game.

Just because someone hands blame to you does not mean you have to accept it. You can say "I did not do that, and I refuse to be held responsible for it." (the first time you say this, there will be a very long silence and a feeling of glee will well up inside you).

They are chaotic. They have their problems. Do you want to take their problems and make them your own? By attempting to 'fix' the problem, you are actually accepting some responsibility for those problems simply by thinking you have the power to change it. You do not. You can not change them, you didn't cause it, you can't control it, you can't cure it. Only they can do that, and they seem quite happy to not change the current system.

I think your husband is wise to simply avoid them. There is a point where family for the sake of family is nothing more than dosing yourself with poison for no reason.

In 18 years of marriage, can you think of anything good to ever come from his parents? And if the answer to that question is 'no', then do you think one letter is going to change that?

You can not change them. You simply can't. They don't want to change (or they would have by now) and inserting yourself into their issues will only give them another person to castigate.

What you can control is you. You can control whether or not you let them suck you into their black hole of dysfunction or whether you choose to let them ease their consciences with a birthday card here and a christmas card there, and not worry about the rest of it.

From where I sit, I don't think these are people I would *want* to have in my life. I would leave them to themselves to rot in whatever toxic soup they've created for themselves, and I would do my best to insulate my children from it.

Sorry to sound so harsh, I assure you I don't mean this harshly. I guess I'm just not understanding why you would want to keep these people as active parts of your lives when they seem like people you would never associate with if they weren't legally related to you.
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Old 01-14-2007, 11:20 PM
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Thanks, Ginger M. Yes you are totally right on about what you said! It's hard to see situations clearly when emotions are involved. And even though I understand logically what you are saying, its always hard to let go and come to the realization that unfortunately you can't control and change others, especially when you know it hurts those you love the most. You're words of wisdom are greatly appreicated!
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Old 01-15-2007, 06:52 AM
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And even though I understand logically what you are saying, its always hard to let go and come to the realization that unfortunately you can't control and change others,
Oh yes! I have to remind myself of this almost daily. It's one of the reasons I come to this board - to have people remind me that I can only control me and that I need to take care of me and find ways of insulating myself from further damage from others.
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Old 01-15-2007, 07:36 AM
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Very wise post GingerM.
Just because they are family doesn't mean you have to get on with them.

'What would you do?'

I would tell them to go f..k themselves.
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I would leave them alone. Remember the three C's I did not cause it, I cannot cure it, and I cannot control it. Have you thought about attending Al-Anon meetings? They are great and provide wonderful support. God Bless!
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Old 01-15-2007, 08:21 PM
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Yes I have and found it so hard to find the time to go since the meeting is only on Tuesday and 7 pm, husband and daughter both have ADHD, the inattentive type, which means if I don't stay on top of my daughter as far as time management I will get home and find that nothing is done on time and my husband is just as bad, I have told him I am going to the meetings, (Adult children of dyfunctional families) and that he is going to have to make a point to check on her time management, once again making an excuse for ones OWN health is no excuse, I am trying to find the darn meeting phone #, put it up before Xmas and now can't find it~~~So I thought I would join this forum and use both in my life, Lord knows I sure need it, because the 13 characteristics SO applies to my life and my childhood. I would have been better off going to those meetings long ago than to just one and one therapy. I am a survivor, and spent most of my adult life, reading and dealing with those issues, but after reading the Adult Children of Alcoholics, I realize this is not something you do and go on, its a lifetime process, to work towards being healthy and whole, because it's not like a magic wand, and poof, you're cured. Due to family, and daughter's learning disability, I've basically stopped doing things for myself a long time ago, now I am going to start making it my priority, because spiritually I've suffered for it, especially since my husband doesn't deal with any of his issues, and I've got sucked into to much co-dependance and the good mother syndrome. Thank you!
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because it's not like a magic wand, and poof, you're cured.
If you ever run across a magic wand that does that, I know many of us here would be willing to donate a kidney to be zapped with it!

This board helps to remind me of the many things that need to stay front and center in my head to keep me functioning in a happy place and prevent me from getting sucked into the world of dysfunction - be it with my parents or with other people around me.
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