ArthurDent

Well, if I can be a allowed a small moan...

I said I'd probably hit a rough patch after feeling good for a couple of days, and I have. Not desperation to have a drink, but getting sick of little problems, getting really pissed off with life in general.

Today I found my cracked tooth has cracked again, so more dental treatment and I can't stand all that; injections, numb face, drilling, feeling awful for days after the anaesthetic. On top of that, work just got up my nose and I felt like quitting, debts are really getting me down, having no money, living in a pokey little place with noisy people around me from early morning to late at night, etc.

I hope this is just detox blues, because while I haven't got a penny right now, I feel like if this is my life, then boy do I need a drink...

Perhaps tomorrow I won't feel this way, but I am so close to dumping my job and walking away into the world with nothing but a few things in a backpack. Doubt I'd ever do it though - I like to stay clean and fed! Ah, bleuch. Life.

Anna

My dream is of a private island somewhere with nothing to bother me and no one else around.

Sometimes life is just life and it's full of annoying things that have to be dealt with. You probably shouldn't dump your job, but maybe, if it's getting you down, you should consider changing jobs. Do something nice for yourself tonight and I hope tomorrow will be a cheery day for you.

Love, Anna

ChampionRabbit

Hey Mr Dent!

I know the feeling all too well.

Actually that's about it! I have nothing to offer apart from the fact that I share your annoyance!

Ah well, that's something I suppose.

Adam

ArthurDent

Thanks Anna. Rabbit, that made me laugh! Sometimes the dummy has to be spat, but I'm not usually one for doing that. Haven't been sober long enough to feel like it, I guess. Hope I never get to the stage of flinging all the teddies out of the cot as well.

Sleep should help. Please (insert any deity's name) let me sleep well tonight. Have a restful one folks.

CarolD

great time for you to begin AA recovery.

While you are now not drinking......Hurrah!
you are short changeing yourself.

There is a room full of AA members waiting
to share in the joy of recovery.
Friends you have yet to meet.

Think of how much you would enjoy meeting SR members in person.
Well...you can. Many of us are in meetings.


Come check out the winners over alcoholism.

ArthurDent

Carol, thanks for your continuing promotion of AA, but I'm afraid that seeing a bunch of people dependent upon a christian god they've never met would make me as sad as seeing them dependent upon alcohol.

I want to be free of dependency in any form because it's absolutely anti-spiritual. You cannot be free and dependent upon anything at the same time.

I will be free of this, and without adding further baggage to my life!

best

No one can ever be totaly free. We will always find something or someone to be dependant on.

As free as you feel you are at this moment, you can be a slave to your emotions and the problems of life as you let it disrupt your inner peace, or you can be dependant on the hope that tomorrow may bring.
It isn't that I am free but that "I am free to make a choice" of who or what I will be dependant on.

Millwallj

Keep going mate, you feel a whole lot fresher, adult, sophisticated etc when you get through it. Where as if you drink, well if I were to drink, I know I would feel demasculated, rubbish, pathetic, and horrifically crazy.

Managing our life is very esteemable.

ChampionRabbit

I'm with you all the way re; going it alone Mr Dent!

If you'll pardon the irony.

ArthurDent

Update before I get off to work.

Many thanks for the comments, and I agree about having to choose certain dependencies, I just didn't put it very well. I would say that for me now, dependency upon the whole christian thing, or any other religion, wouldn't help. In fact I stay away from it. I was a help to me at one time, so I wouldn't tell anyone else not to go that route. As many of you say, we have to find our own way, but a way (or ways) that work.

My anger and frustration has gone today, after I made some decisions last night regarding my health, finances and life in general. One thing booze does, as you know, is not only gives you somewhere to hide from life (albeit a flase hiding place), it also strips you of the ability to make rational and healthy decisions for yourself. I've faced that, and feel so much better now. The problems are still there, but they're minor compared to what many peaople face, and I'm getting on with it rather than feeling I don't like this world and want to walk away from my own life issues.

It's all down to accepting that you have a responsibility to live, to look after yourself, and love yourself. I think as many spiritual people say, if we just do that well, then doing it for others happens as a natural consequence. Someone who loves themselves in an unselfish way can't help but radiate love and confidence to others by example.

The examples you folks set have helped me more than I can express easily in words. Sometimes even a seemingly simple post, or a blunt 'how it is' one, or a gentle 'you can do it' makes all the difference.

Today, whilst trying to sort out a problem (the broken tooth) I was sitting in the car and wondered about alcohol. I didn't think, "Do I want a drink today?", I found myself thinking, "What on earth made me drink all those nights, to make me miss lovely days like this, and feeling so alive?" As I said once before, that's different!

Wishing you all good feelings today, and with my thanks for being here for both me and you.

Lawry

good luck Arthur. Remember, no matter how many problems you've got, drinking will just add to them. If you get on top of the drinking, other problems will tend to sort themselves out. I'm sober now for just over 7 and a half months and don't go to AA. That's not to say I'll never go but at the moment things seem to be working ok. However, I did find a hell of a lot of useful information and insights while reading the AA big book. Have you read it ?


I don't envy you on the tooth situation. I cracked mine about 4 months ago and it involved multiple dental trips. Luckily it was just salvageable not to have to have an implant as I couldn't have afforded that and would've just had the gap.

idunavailable

My 2 cents
Its alright to get pissed off and angry once and a while. cause we all know there is stuff you cant controll like the dentist. I have never went and said thats a great experiance I hope I can come back soon. As far as money goes I feel that it will always be a pain in the but wether you have a ton of it and you are consumed by managing it or if your broke and wonder how the hell am I going to pay rent. so what i am trying to get at is the fact that without the BS in our lives the good stuff would seem so trivial. I may be sinnical and pessimistic but it works for me.
good luck

FriendofBill

"Contempt prior to investigation is ignorance"

Who said AA has a christian God?
They do not. Its not religous at all, but spiritual. There is a difference.

Condeming AA without investigating it is ignorance. Seems you are speaking on what you think you know of AA, and not the reality of it. Cant know what is is about until youve been there.

Cathy31

Oh Arthur! Religion has nothing to do with AA...nothing!!! Not that I have anything against religion, I don't, I am a christian. However, I do know - as a member of AA, so I know what I am talking about - religion and AA...well 2 separate things.

Spirituality and AA - yes!! And I think you'd agree one would hardly pity human being who have the gift of spirituality!?

You once mentioned being an empath...me too...and you said it would be sad to be in a meeting...well, Arthur, I wish you'd try it cause I can't tell you of any other place in the WHOLE world (having travelled extensively, lol!) that is as serene, peaceful, spiritual, soul nourishing and downright JOYOUS as an AA meeting.

You can't really grasp it, or believe it til you see/experience it.

I wish you'd try it.

My opinion : the only truly happy serene and sober alcoholics I have ever come across here and in real life, whose way of life I would want to emulate are those in AA. Simple. It works. If you work it.

I hope one day you get to experience it, but you know what, if you don't that's also your choice - and we're here for you either way.

Weekend looms - how you getting on?

Love
Cathy31
x

ChampionRabbit

What is the difference twixt spirituality and religion?

I have a degree in theology and I don't know the answer, perhaps you could tell me?

Cathy31

Champion

Are you serious? I'd be happy to explain, but are you seriously saying that you have a degree in Theology and you do not understand the difference/see them as the same?

Cathy31
x

Cathy31

There are many ways to look at this.

The key difference between Spirituality and Religion is that while Religion tends to be divisive, Spirituality leads to unification of mankind. Spiritual consciousness is a deeper, more holistic belief system and its pursuit requires no rituals but an attitude initially of unconditional love and giving and an understanding or intuitive belief that all mankind is part of great divine group.

The study of spirituality goes deeply into the heart of every matter and extends far beyond the physical world of matter. Spirituality connects you with the profoundly powerful and divine force that's present in this universe. Whether you're looking for worldly success, inner peace, or supreme enlightenment, no knowledge can propel you to achieve your goals and provide as effective a plan for living as does spiritual knowledge.

No financial or societal stature helps you get ahead in life as much as spiritual wisdom.

No amount of outer effort bears as much fruit as understanding and flowing with the spiritual laws of this universe.

None of the powerful people you know can "connect" you like the power of knowing your own self.

No friend can love and guide you as much as that truly best friend who exists behind all friends, behind all enemies, and in your very own soul.


Here is something from Spirituality for Dummies

Spirituality is a unique topic to explore. After all, the very nature of spirituality is that it reaches beyond common material substances and therefore can't be properly captured or fully expressed in words and form. Yet because the spiritual essence already exists inside of you, hearing the right words just may trigger your own awakening into higher perception.

Perhaps the best way to discuss a spiritual approach to the world is to contrast it with a more common materialistic approach.


The materialistic approach: The materialistic approach relies primarily on empirical evidence provided by the five senses -- what can literally be seen, heard, tasted, touched, or smelled. This approach depends on the outer appearances of things to decide how and what to think and feel about them. A materialistic person fixes whatever may be wrong or out of place in his or her world by moving things around and effecting outer changes.
The spiritual approach: In contrast, the spiritual way is to see beyond mere outer appearances and the five senses to an intuitive perception of the causes behind outer conditions. Someone with a spiritual approach may change and uplift their world by first transforming and improving his or her own vision.
Efforts that include the spiritual approach can be especially powerful, because the spiritual laws of this universe connect your personal vision with the world around you in ways you may not have even imagined.


The lion cub who thought he was a goat
While walking through the forest one day, a young lion cub became separated from his mother. Lost and hungry, the cub came upon a family of goats who took him in and brought him up as one of their own. Within a few months, the little cub even began to bleat like the other goats, though he never did quite get it right.

One day, the goats were dining in a grassy field, when a lion happened by. All of the young goats went to hide behind the trees, just in case the lion was looking for lunchmeat. The big lion had already had his meal, but was surprised to see a young lion cub running off to hide with the goats. He went over to the cub and asked, "What are you doing here with these goats?"

The cub eyed the lion nervously, and replied, "These are my goat brothers and sisters, sir, and I am also a goat."

The older lion realized there was a problem here. "What on earth makes you think you're a goat?"

This question confused the cub. Couldn't this lion see he was a goat? Nobody had ever questioned his goatness before. The cub became suspicious. Maybe this lion was planning to get him involved in some dubious scheme. "Please, just let us be," implored the cub, "Everything is just fine here with us goats."

However, the lion couldn't bear to let this poor cub live on in such delusion. After all, he was the king of the forest, not a lowly goat. "Come with me," the lion said, leading the cub to a nearby stream. "Look into the waters and see your true nature."

The cub walked up to the water's edge. He had drunk from these waters many times before, but had never bothered to look at his reflection before breaking the water's surface. As he peered into the waters, the cub saw his own majestic face and began to roar with amazement and joy.

This is a great analogy for the predicament most people are in. Not realizing their true identity, many base their self-image on the opinions of others.

Note from Cath : think of the sociological construct the self concept...that is PURELY based on opinions of OTHERS....THEIR feedback! How awful, especially if you're in a negative space/place!


One of the great gifts of spiritual knowledge is that it realigns your sense of self to something you may not have even ever imagined was within you. Spirituality says that even if you think you're limited and small, it simply isn't so. You're greater and more powerful than you have ever imagined. A great and divine light exists inside of you. This same light is also in everyone you know and in everyone you will ever know in the future. You may think you're limited to just your physical body and state of affairs -- including your gender, race, family, job, and status in life -- but spirituality comes in and says "there is more than this."

Notice that spirit sounds similar to words like inspire and expire. This is especially appropriate because when you're are filled with spiritual energy, you feel great inspiration, and when the spiritual life force leaves your body, your time on this earth expires. These are two of the main themes of the spiritual journey:


Allowing yourself to be filled with inspiration, which also translates into love, joy, wisdom, peacefulness, and service.

Remembering that an inevitable expiration awaits to take you away from the very circumstances you may think are so very important right now.


Opening up to a spiritual view of life
An important practice in spirituality is to question what you really believe and to then apply those contemplations to your life. Here are a few questions to consider right now:

What if this world is a school for the soul, a place of learning and growth?


What if the experiences most people label as "bad" end up being some of the most precious transformational tools you ever encounter?


What if true wealth is measured very differently than how the IRS would have you believe?


What if the most important action you can perform in this life is to expand your own awareness into the highest realms?



Making a best guess in life
Okay, I'll admit right off the bat that no one knows really -- completely or accurately -- why we're on this earth or what this whole game of life is all about. All anybody can do is to make a best guess. Will you choose to spend your time and energy on acquiring more money, power, beauty, love, admiration, success, a nice house, good family, and devoted friends? These are all fine ambitions, but I propose that adding spiritual efforts to the mix is also an especially good guess. Spirituality has an importance beyond all these worldly achievements. It reaches into the depths of creation, into a part of your soul that's much greater than just your body or temporary circumstances.

One of the main teachings of spirituality is to look within and find what you seek within yourself. The external world is ephemeral, temporary, and ever changing; in fact, your body will die one day, sweeping all those worldly accoutrements away like a mere pile of dust. Your inner realm, on the other hand, is timeless, eternal, and deeply profound.

What does "spirituality" mean?
The words spirit, spiritual, and spirituality originally referred to breath and wind and first appeared in the 13th, 14th, and 15th centuries, respectively. This means that these terms weren't even around during the indeterminable antiquity when many world religions were formed. Nevertheless, other words have been available in cultures and traditions throughout the world and the ages to refer to aspects of what is now called spirituality and spiritual energy. Some of these words include Holy Ghost, Chi, Tao, Sefirah, Prana, Ki, and for at least one bushman tribe in Africa, a clicking sound made with your tongue.

For example, what is now referred to as Holy Spirit in the Bible was, before the 20th century, translated as Holy Ghost. The word ghost originally meant "the soul regarded as the seat of life, the principle of life," as when somebody died and "gave up the ghost."




Spirituality: The true wealth

The majority of men live without being thoroughly conscious that they are spiritual beings. - Soren Kierkegaard

Wealth is often used to denote monetary success, but riches comes in many different forms. One Indian prayer entreats Lakshmi, the goddess of wealth, to shower blessings in the form of intelligence, worldly enjoyment, success, worldly position, prosperity, liberation -- and most importantly, freedom from the enemy of ego, limited self-identification. (More on ego in Chapter 2.)

People say that "health is the greatest wealth," or "a good mind is paramount," or "having loving relationships is what's really important." However, there is a prosperity that only a small percentage of people attain. Their wealth is the experience of expanded consciousness, inner peace, and serenity that comes from spiritual awareness.

Here is an analogy that can give a sense of how spirituality gives an enhanced meaning to all the good things you have achieved thus far. Imagine that all the enjoyments and achievements of your life are like a string of zeros:

000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Only when you put the number one before them, will each zero add more value, like this:

1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

It's a big difference in value, right? Adding a spiritual perspective of life is like adding that number one. Spiritual wisdom gives greater value to all the elements of your life. When you enter the dawning of spiritual understanding, you may outwardly seem nearly the same as before -- with all the same set of accomplishment zeros. However, inwardly you will have gained a greater wealth of peacefulness, faith, love, and spiritual vision.



Spirituality is about following your heart

Your vision will become clear only when you look into your heart. Who looks outside, dreams. Who looks inside, awakens. - Carl Jung

The spiritual journey can be summed up in two phrases:

Purify your heart.
Follow your heart.
All spiritual practices and exercises, such as prayer, meditation, contemplation, yoga, scriptural study, and devotional rituals (covered in Part II of this book), as well as spiritual qualities such as compassion, honesty, steadiness, and unconditional love (covered in Part III) are part of this process of purifying your heart. With a pure heart, you're better able to hear, trust, and follow the still, small voice of God, the whisper of your own wise soul, the universal throb that speaks softly in every moment -- if you have the ears to hear.

If you follow your heart before first purifying your heart, some of your inner promptings may, in fact, be regular old thoughts and desires disguised as inner inspirations and divine guidance! Be sure your intentions are pure. That will ensure that even if your inner guidance isn't always on target, you'll still be moving forward on the spiritual path, protected by your own pure intentions.

Purifying your heart and following your heart aren't really two separate things. Each one supports and strengthens the other. As you progress in your spiritual efforts, eventually your will and the divine will begin to flow harmoniously as one.



Experiencing more self-awareness -- right here, right now


An important element of spiritual growth is to become more self-aware, something you can practice anytime and anywhere. Try the following:


1. Take a moment to observe yourself right now.

How are you feeling? Are you taking nice, relaxed breaths? Is your posture gentle but supportive of your body? Are you able to focus on the words you are reading, or is your mind flitting around from outer distractions to inner concerns and random thoughts?


2. Look upon yourself with a kind and friendly eye.

If you aren't as peaceful and focused as you'd like to be, don't fret -- fretting definitely won't help you feel more harmonious and peaceful. Just be aware of your inner state without judging it as good or bad.


3. Gently align yourself, adjust your posture if necessary, and put a little more effort into focusing on the ideas you're reading.

Sometimes not-so-spiritual thoughts come up while you're contemplating. If this happens, your mind may be doing a bit of housekeeping -- sweeping up some old clutter that needs to be cleared. Be receptive to your own sublime knowledge as it's churned by all this spiritual contemplation. If gifts of insights begin to come to you, take time to unwrap them.


4. Take a deep breath, allowing the oxygen and energy to fill your entire body.
Breathing is how you make continual love with the universe around you. The life force pours into your body, mind, and soul with each inhalation and then rides back out on the wave of exhalation, merging into the outer air. You may wish to take a peaceful break right now by closing your eyes for a few moments and enjoying a few more deep, slow breaths.

Getting to know your spiritual heart

Spirituality is a shift into a knowing of the heart. Not the physical heart, per se, but the symbolic heart that represents all the ways of knowing beyond the rational mind: intuition, emotion, and divine shifts of awareness that can take your world and immediately transform it into a heavenly realm. Your spiritual heart is a non-physical space of communion with spirit that is also the


Seat of intuition: This intuition comes from a deeper way of knowing than has been captured by scientists and psychologists. Your spiritual heart guides you to move in harmony with the universal creative energy.

Realm of unconditional love: To the spiritual heart, every person is your own brother, sister, mother, and father. But unlike with many worldly relationships, this is a flow of love that can't be squashed even if someone acts against you. When you have true unconditional love, your love and God's love become one -- because God's love is always unconditional.

Abode of inner peace: When peace begins to make its home in you, it is like a lake after a thunderstorm -- gentle, yet vibrant and fresh. Even when you become frazzled from all the challenges of life, you can find your way back to the lake of inner peace. You can take a dip in the refreshing waters that flow within your own heart.
Ocean of contentment: True happiness doesn't come from outer objects, people, or events. Things and people can bring little blips of happy feelings, but true contentment is something quite different. Inner contentment may not always be as dramatic as having your outer desires fulfilled, but it's there, it's real, and it's your companion through easy and hard times, through stormy and sunny days.

Discovering your smiling soul

There are two kinds of truth, small truth and great truth. You can recognize a small truth because its opposite is falsehood. The opposite of a great truth is another great truth. - Niels Bohr

When you shift into spiritual awareness, you may appear to be living the same life, with the same ambitions, joys, and sorrows as before. However, you may discover that inside you have a smile that may or may not be visible to the world. Your shining spiritual soul smiles through the good times and the bad. In fact, as your smiling soul begins to reflect more and more in the world, the world also begins to smile back at you.

Do you ever find yourself smiling even when there is no one else around? If not, try it! Smile to yourself. Smile to God, who is always present where you are -- closer than your own breath.


Oh, the dichotomies!

There are two kinds of truth, small truth and great truth. You can recognize a small truth because its opposite is falsehood. The opposite of a great truth is another great truth. - Niels Bohr


Spirituality encourages you to take life more seriously, with greater respect for the deeper meaning and symbolic nature of even the smallest details of life. At the same time, spirituality also gives you an awareness that everything is running itself quite well without your having to feel anxious or responsible for all of it. The spiritual journey is filled with these sorts of dichotomies and seemingly opposing viewpoints. Here are a few more to explore:


Effort is of utmost importance, but you have to stop trying. If you don't put effort into attaining the great benefits of spiritual life, these attainments will probably not fall right into your lap. However, there comes a time when your trying must lose its sense of effort, of wanting and striving for something you don't have. Rather, your inner contentment grows as you begin to act, not with a sense of lack, impatience, or desperation, but from the joy of evolving and expanding your awareness, your goodness, your love, and your wisdom within every moment.

You're a work in progress that's already done. You may enter spirituality with a whole list of improvements you would like to make in your self. Maybe you're unhappy with how you act at times or with certain habits or self-defeating thought patterns you may have gathered along the way. Therefore, you are still a work in progress, with great room and potential for change, growth, and improvement. On the other hand -- and this is a big spiritual hand I'm talking about -- after you glimpse the amazing beauty and perfection of this eternal universe (the "I am" in the phrase "before Abraham was, I am"), you also recognize that you have always been absolutely, perfectly, and eternally complete in your deepest spiritual essence.
Love thy neighbor, but not too much! A love for humanity is paramount for spiritual growth, but this doesn't mean you have to spend a lot of time with all kinds of people. The company you keep affects your thoughts and life in ways you may not even imagine. It is good to be discerning about with whom you spend time, especially in the beginning stages of your spiritual journey. Some seekers find that a certain amount of solitude allows them to become clearer about what they really feel and believe. There is an invaluable freedom that comes when you don't have to fit your beliefs into the concepts of too many other people.

You have to take care of your body even though you're not really the body. You know how all these spiritual teachers say that you aren't the body, you are pure spirit and all that? Still, you can bet that most of them moan and groan like everyone else when their own bodies go through a painful experience. This doesn't mean they were lying about the "not the body, but pure spirit" thing. Rather, it is one more dichotomy on the spiritual path. You are in the body, but not of it.

You are supreme consciousness but you still have to wash the dishes. In the depths of spiritual practices (such as meditation), you begin to experience greater realms of thought. You may feel completely free, expansive, and powerful. Then, you come out of meditation and that pile of bills is still there waiting to be paid, the house needs cleaning, or the phone is ringing and your boss, a creditor, or a relative wants to have an aggressive chat with you. You may wonder where all that powerful expansion went. (More on this topic in Chapter 7.)
You study to attain God, but God can't be attained through studying. Theologians have been studying God for centuries, yet many scholars have left this world feeling that they never really knew or experienced the divine presence. On the other hand, many spiritual seekers have splashed heart-first into the ocean of God's presence only after studying and learning from those who had tasted those waters before.

The Difference Between Spirituality and Religion

There is only one religion, though there are a hundred versions of it.
- George Bernard Shaw

Although religion and spirituality are sometimes used interchangeably, they really indicate two different aspects of the human experience. You might say that spirituality is the mystical face of religion.


Spirituality is the wellspring of divinity that pulsates, dances, and flows as the source and essence of every soul. Spirituality relates more to your personal search, to finding greater meaning and purpose in your existence. Some elements of spirituality include:
Looking beyond outer appearances to the deeper significance and soul of everything

Love and respect for God

Love and respect for yourself

Love and respect for everybody
Religion is most often used to describe an organized group or culture that has generally been sparked by the fire of a spiritual or divine soul. Religions usually act with a mission and intention of presenting specific teachings and doctrines while nurturing and propagating a particular way of life.

Religion and spirituality can blend together beautifully!
Different religions can look quite unlike one another. Some participants bow to colorful statues of deities, others listen to inspired sermons while dressed in their Sunday finery, and yet others set out their prayer rugs five times a day to bow their heads to the ground. Regardless of these different outer manifestations of worship, the kernel of religion is spirituality, and the essence of spirituality is God.

One goal of this book is to focus on essential spiritual teachings that resonate with most religions -- a formidable and challenging objective, to be sure. Yet, in the depths of personal contemplation, I have seen that spirituality is intertwined with religion, politics, science, philosophy, and art on subtle levels that may not be outwardly obvious. The ultimate goals of these endeavors is some version of knowing greater truth and living better lives -- what Kahlil Gibran referred to as being "in quest of the uttermost."

Spirituality is:

Beyond all religions yet containing all religions

Beyond all science yet containing all science
Beyond all philosophy yet containing all philosophy


The pearl within the shell
Religions are like a shell that creates an environment within which a pearl can grow. This pearl is the blossoming of great and divine spiritual qualities in each soul. A good shell can nourish the pearl and keep it safe and protected from outside elements and predators while it grows.

Nevertheless, even while in the shell, the pearl always remains different from the shell and eventually may grow to the point where it can -- and perhaps must -- shine its beauty without being closed inside the shell.




No more crusades, okay?

It is more important to create a safer, kinder world than to recruit more people to the religion that happens to satisfy us. - Dalai Lama
Many wars have been fought based on what amounts to fairly slight variations in religious theory and language. In the light of spirituality, no one needs to fight with anyone else over whose religion is better. No one needs to quarrel over every rule and detail of all the different doctrines. Rather, a spiritually-aware person is open to learning and growing from everything in life. One sign of spiritual awakening is an increased respect for all people, all religions, and all forms of God. This kinder, gentler approach replaces outdated tendencies toward intolerance and prejudice. As one becomes more spiritual, animalistic aggressions of fighting and trying to control the beliefs of other people can be cast off like an old set of clothes that no longer fits. In fact, many seekers begin to feel that every image of divinity is just one more face of their own, eternally ever-present God.

Loving and respecting all religions and images of God doesn't mean that you have to agree with all their doctrines. In fact, you don't even have to believe and agree with every element and doctrine of your own religion! This goes for any teachings you may encounter along your path. For example, as you read this book, enjoy whatever words work for you and just skim over what doesn't.

My goal is to share some spiritual ideas that have been helpful to me, not to make you agree with them.

Champion, just a bit of cut and paste. I'm not interested in an intellectual debate on this...spirituality and religion are different concepts, and as the author of dummies says, my goal is not to make you agree with them.

AA is about SPIRITUALITY not RELIGION, but if religious, it can be accommodated in AA. If agnostic, and atheist, the same.

It's such an incredible program precisely because of the spiritual element.

Hope this was helpful, but it's pretty self explanatory and I still don't know if you were serious when you said that you were not sure of the difference!?

Cathy31
x

ArthurDent

Wow, and I thought I wrote long posts! When I'm awake to morrow (long day at work today) I'll read this, and thanks Cathy.

ChampionRabbit

I don't believe there to be any useful distinction twixt the two words/concepts in this context, no.

Clearly one might argue that 'religion' implies a rigid structure of belief, but this isn't necesarily so.

Ultimately, both concepts describe a belief in something for which there is no evidence. Like Santa and the Easter Bunny.



As you can see, the dictionary is on my side too:

ChampionRabbit

I don't agree; I think that 'spirituality' is a phrase used by people who are embarrassed (or otherwise unwilling) to use the word 'religion' to describe their 'religion'. Pretty much everything that your C&P claims defines spirituality can be found in religion.

I have no particular axe to grind when it comes to religion (beyond it's historical abuse/misuse), I just don't 'believe' in ghosts/santa/elves/wizards/Jesus etc. Quite what is to be gained by the almost universal 'no true Scotsman'-like logical fallacy used by AA members when it comes to denial of their religious beliefs, I have no idea.

Something that I find hilariously ironic is that while AA is only too happy to use the fact that a US Government-related body claims that alcoholism is a disease to promote it's teachings, the AA seems wilfully oblivious to the fact that the US Government also increasingly considers the AA to be a religious organisation.

Since you aren't interested in debate though, we'll leave it there.

Ultimately, different strokes for different folks; if you're happy calling a 'teapot' a 'tiger' then far be it from me to dissuade you!

Adam