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Old 03-19-2020, 07:13 AM
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So here we are

I need to end this. I sober up for a few days, start eating all super healthy, get exercise. Then I find myself walking out of the liquor store with another bottle thinking I'll moderate and "make it last."

Well, state closed all liquor stores. Problem solved, right? I just destroyed what liquor was left in the house. I have a four day weekend to detox. So here goes nothing....
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Old 03-19-2020, 08:09 AM
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If deprivation of alcohol will get you started on the road of detox and early sobriety, then good. But you better put something more substantial, recovery-wise, in place if you want to remain sober.
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Its as good a start as any Notch. I started my journey on Good Friday when everything was closed.

But Carls right too - the stores won;t be closed forever use this time to make a recovery action plan

https://www.soberrecovery.com/forums...very-plan.html (What exactly is a recovery plan?)

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Notch - we're with you as you begin. Posting & reading here helped keep me busy in the early days. Everyone understands how you're feeling. You can do this.
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If deprivation of alcohol will get you started on the road of detox and early sobriety, then good. But you better put something more substantial, recovery-wise, in place if you want to remain sober.
Absolutely.
It's the staying alcohol free that's often the problem. Best wishes Notch8
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Old 03-20-2020, 05:57 AM
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Thanks for the replies. I've been trying to quit for four years, at least. Most I went was three months and I thought I was "cured" and had a bourbon. We can all guess how that worked out....

I know I have to take a holistic approach to this. Otherwise its just white knuckling the process. I convince myself I want this, but almost like without putting in the work. Make sense?
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I convince myself I want this, but almost like without putting in the work. Make sense?
I'm sure most of us hoped that "wanting to be sober" would be sufficient to get sober. If we are lucky we soon realize we have to put in the work and make the changes necessary to get and stay sober.

The only thing easy about alcoholism is drinking.
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I could not quit this long until I was ready. I knew it. I also know without any doubt whatsoever I will never drink booze again. I am a non drinker.

In my mind I have images of people I know that quit drinking. Some are regular folks, others are famous.

I use them as role models to stay the course.

Like I said, I needed a major scare to get started being a non drinker. Some folks hit their kid while drunk, others kill somebody. Others die a drunk from being a drunk. Etc etc etc.

One thing is for sure, not drinking anymore will assure me a better life. A life as I was intended. Not a drug altered chemical life journey.

Now, I stay a non drinker because I love how I feel all the time.

Being a drunk vs being a nondrinker is sort of like standing in the rain with no umbrella vs in a cozy house looking at the rain outside.

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Old 03-21-2020, 08:24 AM
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Day 2. Woke up and hit up the store for a few odds and ends. Went to the park to watch trains for a bit, then home to make breakfast for the family.

Been spending a lot of time taking inventory of... well, everything. What do I want out of this? Do I want to actually change? Am I compromising? Many questions to be answered.

I can definitely say my anxiety levels are down. But still tons on my mind. Last night I slept okay, but jerked awake to the occasional nightmare.

I could use some advice right now.
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Old 03-21-2020, 09:29 AM
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I convince myself I want this, but almost like without putting in the work. Make sense?
This makes total sense to me. Addiction is such a hellish thing because there’s such a battle in your mind. The rational you wants to be sober, but the addicted you wants to drink. So the addicted you doesn’t want to put in any work, but the rational you wishes the addicted you would buckle down and work for it. It’s this bizarre fight. I promise you, it gets easier in time. If you’ve only made it to three months, you haven’t made it long enough to see that. But believe me. It will get much easier.
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Hi Notch8! I knew from your username you were a railfan...

I just got off line from an AA meeting. Our local AA group is holding meetings online during the COVID-19 crisis, and you would be welcome to join in our next meeting at 8:30 PM Pennsylvania time--if you're interested, I'll PM you the link.

It's very helpful to have a group of people who share your concerns and can give you experience, strength and hope. At this morning's meeting, we mostly discussed how we are being affected by forced isolation. Attendance at the meeting was good, and nobody seemed to want to take a drink--give it a try!
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Old 03-21-2020, 09:37 AM
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Been spending a lot of time taking inventory of... well, everything. What do I want out of this? Do I want to actually change? Am I compromising? Many questions to be answered. I could use some advice right now.
Well, my advice (which I got from someone else here and it worked for me), was please don’t try to take any of that inventory or answer any of those many questions right now. I know that sounds contrary to what many others might say, but it really worked for me. Someone explained to me, “due to your years of addiction, your brain is broken. Don’t try to use it.” They were right. It takes time for your brain to heal enough so that you can actually answer those questions and take that inventory honestly. Your brain literally isn’t working in a healthy way right now. One example is that you don’t have enough gray matter to make good decisions. Google it. It’ll grow back in time, but it’s not there yet. It takes like a year, from what I’ve read. I’m not a scientist. Also, your sober neural pathways aren’t up and running. Your addicted ones are. And this is making you not clearly be able to take the inventory or answer the questions in an correct and clear way. My point is - don’t try to use a brain that’s broken just like you wouldn’t use a leg that’s broken. Just believe us that it’s broken. Don’t use it (meaning don’t use it to think about or consider your drinking - bc what your addicted brain is REALLY trying to do is convince you to drink) for a long while. Because there’s nothing you’re trying to figure out. You already have the only answer that matters: you can’t drink. You’re addicted. Done. You are addicted or you wouldn’t be on this website right now. People without drinking problems don’t go onto addiction websites. It’s just a fact. So the smart, rational you knows that you have a problem and you can’t drink. Nothing else to figure out for now. Just remember that and don’t drink for six months no matter what (if you’re tempted, remind yourself you don’t yet have the grey matter in your brain to be able to make a decision like that and know it’s a wise one) and then when things are easier you can get into answering any of the questions you want to delve into. This worked for me.
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Old 03-21-2020, 09:52 AM
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Do I want to actually change? Am I compromising? I could use some advice right now.
1. Yes, you really want to actually change, or you wouldn’t be on this website right now. The addicted you (not the real you) is trying to make you doubt what you want. Don’t believe it! Ignore that beast.

2. Compromising what?! Hell no, you’re not compromising anything. You will be healthier, wealthier, more at peace, safer, and happier when (not if!) you are sober. I KNOW you don’t believe this right now (I didn’t believe it at all in the beginning), but I swear to you it’s true. I promise you. You will be so happy you made this decision. Think of this as a fight. The real you is trying to beat the addicted you. I know the real you can do it. Fight for it. Don’t look ahead a lifetime. Fight for six months. I know at that point, the fight will get much easier and easier each day and you’ll be so glad you stuck in the marathon. Just keep going. We are rooting you on!
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Old 03-21-2020, 07:28 PM
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“ ? Do I want to actually change?”
that is the question.

often, i thought i really wanted to change when what i actually wanted was to stay the same without the consequences.
and i had no real idea of what changes might actually be required.
it’s a great question you’re asking yourself there.
what answer might you be coming up with?
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Old 03-21-2020, 07:38 PM
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It only takes a day to get started! Good for you you can do it.
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Great reading here, thanks everyone! Sohard, I am on about day 42 and your advice to Notch8 was great for me, too. I'm going to try hard to keep that in mind, in fact I'm going to write it in my journal.
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Old 03-22-2020, 06:36 AM
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I reread the last few posts about four times over. Thank you.

To say its a battle is an understatement. I may have mentioned this before but I'm double diagnosed, both an addict as well as bipolar. Understanding the bipolar issue in itself is huge. I went undiagnosed/misdiagnosed for many years.

Many times, in my brief periods of sobriety, I often felt like a combat vet: I fought a battle for so long that no one else really understands. I've seen things I do not wish on anyone else. I'm damaged, trying to sort things out and discover the "new me." Trying to almost "re-invent" myself, if that makes sense.
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I reread the last few posts about four times over. Thank you.

To say its a battle is an understatement. I may have mentioned this before but I'm double diagnosed, both an addict as well as bipolar. Understanding the bipolar issue in itself is huge. I went undiagnosed/misdiagnosed for many years.

Many times, in my brief periods of sobriety, I often felt like a combat vet: I fought a battle for so long that no one else really understands. I've seen things I do not wish on anyone else. I'm damaged, trying to sort things out and discover the "new me." Trying to almost "re-invent" myself, if that makes sense.
I understand all of this so well. I am double diagnosed too (like many addicts). I know my mental illness (depression/anxiety/OCD) caused my addiction. Like you, I also went undiagnosed/misdiagnosed for many, many years.

And I often felt like a combat vet, too. I understand you completely. And yes, you are damaged, but not permanently. In fact, each day you are sober and correctly medicated for your bipolar, you are fixing yourself. I am 44 years old and nearly 11 months sober. It has taken this long sober and medicated to FINALLY feel like I am no longer damaged. It's bizarre to feel, well, "normal". But...I DO feel so normal and peaceful now. And, I swear it's true, I feel so damn PROUD. It is damn hard what you've gone through. Hell, really. Mental illness and addiction are so stigmatized and you are so, so judged, when you didn't choose either, anymore than someone chooses to have diabetes or cancer. And, even worse, we judge ourselves because we don't understand what is going on and why we are acting and feeling the way we do. This is not your fault. Listen, you have a real shot now. A shot at a great life. You are no longer undiagnosed and you now know you have an addiction (you do know this!). You are at a superb starting point for having a new life. A real life where you thrive, not just survive. Give yourself that life! What can you lose? Honestly, what can you possibly lose by trying? By promising to give up alcohol for just six months (I know you'll want to keep going once you get that far. As the saying goes, nothing ruins alcoholism like a good stretch of sobriety). Don't you owe it to yourself to really give that a shot? I know you are trying so hard right now, I can tell that. I just say that they'll be lots of times when you will question your decision. When the addicted you will try to trick you. Just promise yourself 6 months. I beg you.

Please PM me if I can be of any help.

You can do this. I promise you it's worth it. I understand the hell you've been through. I really do. I want this for you so badly.
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Thanks for the encouragement. Your post gave me a lot to think about. Getting beyond three weeks seems near impossible to me as it only ever happened once. I'm wrapping up day 5 now, so I did survive a four-day weekend.

Much to ponder....
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Thanks for the encouragement. Your post gave me a lot to think about. Getting beyond three weeks seems near impossible to me as it only ever happened once. I'm wrapping up day 5 now, so I did survive a four-day weekend.

Much to ponder....
Just one day at a time. You got this. Stop doing the hardest part (which is quitting) over and over and over again. Give yourself a BREAK. I swear to you it’ll get so much easier. Just one day at a time. Tell yourself you can drink at 100 days if you’d like. Just take it in small chunks. If it remained this hard and like what you’re going through right now, no one would remain quit. But it doesn’t. I swear to you. You have nothing to lose by trying this for 100 days. You can do this. You can. And I’ll tell you, at 322 days sober now, it is SO much easier than at 200 days, which was SO much easier than 100 days. You just need distance from your addiction and your desire to drink will fade. I know it’s nearly impossible to believe this. I surely didn’t. I was going on blind faith when I quit. And guess what? It’s worked. And it can for you too. Xx
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