Interesting Article on Johnny Manziel and Young Adult Subtype Alcoholics
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Interesting Article on Johnny Manziel and Young Adult Subtype Alcoholics
Johnny Manziel: Why We Cannot (and Should Not) Look Away | Bleacher Report
Here's an interesting article that uses a term new to me: "Young Adult Subtype" alcoholic. The term may be new to me, but the description is not. Pretty much sums up my twenties and thirties.
Here's an interesting article that uses a term new to me: "Young Adult Subtype" alcoholic. The term may be new to me, but the description is not. Pretty much sums up my twenties and thirties.
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Interesting. Pretty much my story. I have found in recovery though, that it a mistake to get hung up on sub types and differences. I sobered up when I was 22 with the help of many older members of AA.
We had exactly the same disease, and the solution worked exactly the same for me as it did for the older folks. I had contemporaries who were really hung up on being different. Most of them didn't make it.
AAs solution to alcoholism incorporates the wisdom of ages, and much wisdom from older members merely through their life experience. Generally speaking, the young, even the sober young, are not usually fonts of wisdom. We still have to aquire it over time, just like everybody else.
We had exactly the same disease, and the solution worked exactly the same for me as it did for the older folks. I had contemporaries who were really hung up on being different. Most of them didn't make it.
AAs solution to alcoholism incorporates the wisdom of ages, and much wisdom from older members merely through their life experience. Generally speaking, the young, even the sober young, are not usually fonts of wisdom. We still have to aquire it over time, just like everybody else.
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Waitaminit! 13 drink nights are benders? Where the hell was I? 13 drinks was happy hour. A comfy night at home with the TV. Not some epic, newsworthy night out.
The boy's even delusional about his drinking.
The boy's even delusional about his drinking.
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It's a sad story, but one that has been played out millions of times before. Alcoholism is no respecter of persons. It doesn't care what a bright future you could have. It doesn't care what a bright past you had. It doesn't care if you are poor, middle-class, wealthy, or obscenely wealthy. Alcoholism only wants to kill you.
I truly hope he wises up and gets the help he needs. Alcohol has taken down men MUCH bigger than him.
I truly hope he wises up and gets the help he needs. Alcohol has taken down men MUCH bigger than him.
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I have put a little thought into this, so bear with me. Put aside Manzeil's personality (or our idea of what we think it is). Now imagine yourself in his shoes: Drinking problem. Young. Rich. Popular-every club he walks into just lights up. Attractive to the point of having to tell women "no" probably every day. Athletic and healthy.
I had only a couple of those things. I was once young and I had a drinking problem. -and if you told me to stop, I told you what to do with yourself.
What I'm saying is although I hope he can accept some help, his gifts are working against him.
I had only a couple of those things. I was once young and I had a drinking problem. -and if you told me to stop, I told you what to do with yourself.
What I'm saying is although I hope he can accept some help, his gifts are working against him.
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Originally Posted by thomas11 
Interesting article. I think Johnny does what he does for one reason.....because he can. I'm sure I'm oversimplifying it, but that's my 2 cents.
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same thing happened to Vince Young.. Another member mentioned it, booze / drugs will destroy you, it doesn't care if you're rich or poor, black, white, purple, skinny, fat.. Sad to watch, I think the media adds fuel to the fire..
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Originally Posted by Fluffer
Just because he couldn't say no to nights out drinking when he knew he had work responsibilities the next day. And we all know what that means.
WE alcoholics/addicts cannot say "NO to nights out drinking ...." If we could take it or leave it, we wouldn't be here on SR looking for support for our alcoholism. He's active in his addiction, and his mind isn't thinking rationally. Needs help for sure , Denial was a huge block in me seeking help. I hope he can accept the help, I guess we'll all see if that happens through the vast Media in our world today!
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Just to bump this post, here's an article on NPR:
Commentary: The Sad Tale Of NFL Player Johnny Manziel : NPR
I particularly liked this quote:
I think this summarizes how I feel about Manziel. The guy demonstrates poor behaviour, that has unfortunately, perhaps tipped into the criminal. He doesn't have a professional work ethic, makes bad decisions, is unreliable, immature and certainly self-entitled.
Too often I think we see those behaviours and mistake them for the cause of addiction, instead of the symptoms. Last year he did briefly get into treatment, and all of those above listed behaviours quickly dissipated. I haven't given up on Manziel as human being either and think that, if and when he does get healthy he'll have a powerful story to tell.
Commentary: The Sad Tale Of NFL Player Johnny Manziel : NPR
I particularly liked this quote:
In my line of work, I see a lot of bad people, but I've learned not to give up on them. I've seen addicts go clean. I've seen the violent turn peaceful. And I've seen the lecherous become pure. Redemption is a reality. And so there are many ways to read the story of Johnny Football, but this is the most important way. This is no longer a sports story. This is a human story. And in sports, as in life, redemption is a powerful and always possible miracle. It'll make a better story, and it'll make us better, too.
Too often I think we see those behaviours and mistake them for the cause of addiction, instead of the symptoms. Last year he did briefly get into treatment, and all of those above listed behaviours quickly dissipated. I haven't given up on Manziel as human being either and think that, if and when he does get healthy he'll have a powerful story to tell.
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