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Old 05-02-2014, 11:32 AM
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I have learned an awful lot here ,Thanks everyone .

No -im not drinking .

Im not keeping track of how long its been .-on an exact basis .

To me that's not important .
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Why could not the same decision process apply to drinking ,as it does for other immoral things we decide to NOT do?

It seems ,the process could be applied to not drinking ,There are a lot of things I just wont do ,no matter what .
Karate, I believe you're overthinking your problem and the solution quite a bit. You seem to be going down every rabbit trail you can find, looking for some magic bullet that will make you stop drinking. But there is no magic bullet. You either decide to quit drinking or you don't. If you truly want to quit, make a plan to stop and work that plan with all your heart. If you need help with the plan, seek it out.

But ruminating over every cause or reason for your drinking doesn't solve the problem. Gathering every imaginable recovery tool or concept and putting them into your mental basket isn't all that helpful because many tools and concepts are equally effective if used properly. So pick an approach and go with it. And if that approach doesn't work, try another. IMO working dozens of different approaches simultaneously is confusing and probably ineffective.
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Old 05-02-2014, 12:10 PM
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Karate, I can't believe that you haven't read RR (AVRT). The framework is essentially what you are describing, as feenxx said. Do yourself a favor and read the book (Rational Recovery: The new cure for substance addiction) Check your library or get it from amazon. May as well, since you enjoy researching and all.
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Old 05-02-2014, 04:44 PM
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You have been doing good Karate, read RR (I think everyone could benefit from the technique) and don't over intellectualize things because in the past, that's how your AV tripped you: you get on that research/deep thinking kick and you don't differentiate between you and it.
And please don't pick up the first drink no matter what.
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Old 05-02-2014, 06:19 PM
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My friend ,is 14 sober on the same program im on .
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Old 05-02-2014, 06:36 PM
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Which program are you on?
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Old 05-02-2014, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by kenkd View Post
Which program are you on?
I guess the country people program ,It seems popular .

It is as follows , Beer makes me feel bad ,do things I should not do , spend money I should not spend and be ugly to my family .

I think ill quit this foolishness .

More than a few people I know have had success with it .
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Originally Posted by karate View Post
My friend ,is 14 sober on the same program im on .
What is your program?
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Old 05-02-2014, 07:01 PM
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The same decision process can absolutely apply, whether it is about something you consider immoral or just plain self destructive or no matter what the reason...of course the decision process can be exactly the same.
And mine was, many times. And why was it "many times"? That's the question, isn't it?

Karate, seems to me this question of yours points to two others:

- if you've made the decision before, through the same or even a different process, what happened that you didn't stick with it?

- have you ever made the decision?
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Old 05-02-2014, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by karate View Post
I guess the country people program ,It seems popular .

It is as follows , Beer makes me feel bad ,do things I should not do , spend money I should not spend and be ugly to my family .

I think ill quit this foolishness .

More than a few people I know have had success with it .
Ok, sounds good, but I would take out the word "think" as that implies ambivalence. Try "I will quit this foolishness".
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Old 05-02-2014, 07:16 PM
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Does the CPP work for city dwellers or suburbanites as well?
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Karate, the Big Book, which you've read a few times, tells us, in the print, A)the problem and B) the solution. Just pointing out what you already know, right?

I am an alcoholic. For me, when I acknowledged I was an alcoholic and my life was indeed "unmanageable" my compulsion to drink was gone. I can't explain how or why in any scientific manner. I continue to read & study the Big Book. Tomorrow is my weekly Big Book Study. I find it SO helpful to go over the print with others. Just a suggestion....you might want to have book study times with your AA old timer. And, I also find The Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions a must own. Wednesday, at my Home Group, we have our weekly 12 and 12 Meeting. Again, perhaps your AA old timer and you could get together??

In my experience, the old timers love to share their experience, strength & hope. Seems to me, you have a wealth of AA resources you might want to tap into.
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Old 05-02-2014, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by kenkd View Post
Does the CPP work for city dwellers or suburbanites as well?
I think it could as well , we are as a rule a bit more hardheaded .

But yes ,no reason it could not be applied to any geographic area .

It does not matter if you fall off an apartment step ,or a tractor .
Intoxicated is the same .
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Old 05-02-2014, 07:36 PM
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Hmmmm.....I enjoy research as well but could find no info on the CPP.

However, I have heard read and witnessed these ideals in real life many many times.
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Old 05-02-2014, 08:37 PM
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Country people do things a bit different .

Fighting equipment breakdowns , low cash funds ,and a constant fight with the weather .

Well, it changes you into a Can-do person .

Or we like to hope it does .

I don't know if its the same everywhere but here almost all farmers drink beer and dip snuff .
Its the culture ,I guess .
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Old 05-02-2014, 09:04 PM
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So how does that translate to a program?

In my line of work I face the same obstacles and more.
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Old 05-03-2014, 06:52 AM
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Karate, there is a population described as self-recovered. Of course it can be done. Why would you think otherwise? Thoughts to contrary are simply doubts that will keep your problem alive and thriving.
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Old 05-03-2014, 07:35 AM
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I had an experence , that likley forever changed me

It was a positive experence , about a few days into not drinking .

It could have been a spiritual awakening .

I'm not saying I can - or can't do this alone .

But , I feel as though I'm getting help .

I have always knew god existed , he has spoken to me before
In an almost audable voice .

That did not happen this time , more subtle of a lesson
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Old 05-03-2014, 10:35 AM
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Subtle can be powerful. Not everyone who has an epiphany does so by way of a burning bush. Some of us have experienced a shift in thinking in such a way that shifting back is not possible. I hope that for you.
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