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actually 'snuff' is a misused term. it goes back to the early days of kings and queens, mozart and all that and was in frequent use by the aristocracy well into the 19 cent. And still used into the late 20th by a fair amount. it wasn't 'polite' to smoke in public so folks got their fix by using snuff. you can still find it today if you really look for it. Copenhagen, skoal and all of the imitators market are what is termed as smokeless tobacco - chewing tobacco. Not in the sense of the old time baseball players, 'redman' etc. it is more finely ground and is not chewed but rather 'sucked' on or allowed to enter the blood stream by just being there. snuff is a dried powdery tobacco product that is literally 'snuffed' into the nasal passage - which gives the same effect. If you remember 'Blazing Saddles', there is a scene where Harvey Korman takes a pinch of snuff - one for each nostril. That is snuff. The ssst that I have in my mouth right now is called 'chew' or 'dip'. "Hey, can I bum a dip from you?" That is what most users call it. You can tell a cowboy dips by the circular outline worn in his bluejeans back pocket.
As Earl Campbell would say, "Skoal brother."
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I'm glad you are not drinking because your grandmother is in ICU. If you did, that would be using her tragedy as an excuse for you to get drunk. That would not honor her, would it? It would make all her pain about you, not her. It would be selfish, and it would make you not fully present for her when she needs you.
One idea that was a pivotal moment for me was when I realized that I don't get a medal for suddenly doing things that I should have been doing all along.
One idea that was a pivotal moment for me was when I realized that I don't get a medal for suddenly doing things that I should have been doing all along.
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Originally Posted by karate 
Just have to stop the habit of getting a beer on the way home after work .
Regarding your above statement, I think you know deep down that it's much more than simply not stopping at the store. I failed over and over because I also thought that sheer willpower should be enough to get sober. Most of us need help...I hope you find the strength to accept it.
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Originally Posted by LBrain
actually 'snuff' is a misused term. it goes back to the early days of kings and queens, mozart and all that and was in frequent use by the aristocracy well into the 19 cent. And still used into the late 20th by a fair amount. it wasn't 'polite' to smoke in public so folks got their fix by using snuff. you can still find it today if you really look for it. Copenhagen, skoal and all of the imitators market are what is termed as smokeless tobacco - chewing tobacco. Not in the sense of the old time baseball players, 'redman' etc. it is more finely ground and is not chewed but rather 'sucked' on or allowed to enter the blood stream by just being there. snuff is a dried powdery tobacco product that is literally 'snuffed' into the nasal passage - which gives the same effect. If you remember 'Blazing Saddles', there is a scene where Harvey Korman takes a pinch of snuff - one for each nostril. That is snuff. The ssst that I have in my mouth right now is called 'chew' or 'dip'. "Hey, can I bum a dip from you?" That is what most users call it. You can tell a cowboy dips by the circular outline worn in his bluejeans back pocket.
As Earl Campbell would say, "Skoal brother."
As Earl Campbell would say, "Skoal brother."
I thought Copenhagen meant beer...ooops
And I am sorry about your Grandmother, Karate, and good luck with not drinking...keep it up!
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Well, I personally am just happier that you didn't pick up a drink. I was the "relapse queen" for years and now.... I am not so I believe that no matter how many times you fail it is important to keep trying.
And yeah giving up nicotine and alcohol both at once... uugghh. I still smoke some here and there. It is my NEXT thing to quit.
Jess
And yeah giving up nicotine and alcohol both at once... uugghh. I still smoke some here and there. It is my NEXT thing to quit.
Jess
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Originally Posted by karate
Snuff and beer on the same day at the same time proved to be too much .
Very edgy ,I decided to go forward with the not drinking beer .
I feel not drinking is the most important .
Got a can of Copenhagen today .
Ill wait a while ,then kick that habit .
Very edgy ,I decided to go forward with the not drinking beer .
I feel not drinking is the most important .
Got a can of Copenhagen today .
Ill wait a while ,then kick that habit .
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Originally Posted by Stoogy
Hey Karate, really hope you are doing well, and I totally understand, this forum is meant to be a source of support but some people just don't get that.
All the best Karate and well done for not drinking.
All the best Karate and well done for not drinking.
I needed (and others need to as well) to be called out for my blind selfish refusing to admit ways.
jdooner has spent countless pages and time helping (specifically ) karate.
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I don't want to sound judgmental with my above post , and my comment about "blind selfish ways" is not specific to karate. I was/am the same way. For the most part people are not on here rummaging through threads trying to be a jerk or insensitive with their responses. They are only trying to help. I myself have been "called out" on these very forums and chat, and I'm glad I was.
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You're obviously a man of action Weaver. Might I suggest a real shirt and a re-centering of your camera.
I'm kidding
But seriously, I intend to be careful here when wielding my hammer. A very nice/good person here unintentionally and well meaningly scared me off of the site for months when he knew I had relapsed. Perhaps it was the best thing for me at that time, perhaps not, I really don't know.
I want to be very careful though. I feel that tough love is a good thing sometimes but I'm going to tread lightly because, like the person I just mentioned, the last thing I want to do his scare anyone outta here. We all need each other.
Keep coming back!
I'm kidding
But seriously, I intend to be careful here when wielding my hammer. A very nice/good person here unintentionally and well meaningly scared me off of the site for months when he knew I had relapsed. Perhaps it was the best thing for me at that time, perhaps not, I really don't know.
I want to be very careful though. I feel that tough love is a good thing sometimes but I'm going to tread lightly because, like the person I just mentioned, the last thing I want to do his scare anyone outta here. We all need each other.
Keep coming back!
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Weaver thank you for the post.
Karate I hope your Grandmother is doing better or at least at peace. I am sure she appreciates you being by her side and being sober allows you to take in the moments.
Dsober - tough love is difficult when its not someone you are close to - it often backfires. I am often triggered when I see qualities in myself in others that I don't like. My post to Karate was somewhat rude and aggressive and partly because I want to shake him to try and help. Partly because I see things in him that I see in my old self and it upsets me. And partly because I feel he just desires the attention, which is why for the past year he is at the exact same place he began. Whatever the case may be, my post was more of a response and out of line.
I do care for Karate, as much as you can on a virtual sober website but I also recognize that nothing I post is going to change him and perhaps this is also frustrating (my own need to help and inability to - ego). Whatever the true motives conscious or unconscious my post was rude and aggressive and I apologize.
Good luck Karate.
Karate I hope your Grandmother is doing better or at least at peace. I am sure she appreciates you being by her side and being sober allows you to take in the moments.
Dsober - tough love is difficult when its not someone you are close to - it often backfires. I am often triggered when I see qualities in myself in others that I don't like. My post to Karate was somewhat rude and aggressive and partly because I want to shake him to try and help. Partly because I see things in him that I see in my old self and it upsets me. And partly because I feel he just desires the attention, which is why for the past year he is at the exact same place he began. Whatever the case may be, my post was more of a response and out of line.
I do care for Karate, as much as you can on a virtual sober website but I also recognize that nothing I post is going to change him and perhaps this is also frustrating (my own need to help and inability to - ego). Whatever the true motives conscious or unconscious my post was rude and aggressive and I apologize.
Good luck Karate.
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Originally Posted by jdooner
Weaver thank you for the post.
Karate I hope your Grandmother is doing better or at least at peace. I am sure she appreciates you being by her side and being sober allows you to take in the moments.
Dsober - tough love is difficult when its not someone you are close to - it often backfires. I am often triggered when I see qualities in myself in others that I don't like. My post to Karate was somewhat rude and aggressive and partly because I want to shake him to try and help. Partly because I see things in him that I see in my old self and it upsets me. And partly because I feel he just desires the attention, which is why for the past year he is at the exact same place he began. Whatever the case may be, my post was more of a response and out of line.
I do care for Karate, as much as you can on a virtual sober website but I also recognize that nothing I post is going to change him and perhaps this is also frustrating (my own need to help and inability to - ego). Whatever the true motives conscious or unconscious my post was rude and aggressive and I apologize.
Good luck Karate.
Karate I hope your Grandmother is doing better or at least at peace. I am sure she appreciates you being by her side and being sober allows you to take in the moments.
Dsober - tough love is difficult when its not someone you are close to - it often backfires. I am often triggered when I see qualities in myself in others that I don't like. My post to Karate was somewhat rude and aggressive and partly because I want to shake him to try and help. Partly because I see things in him that I see in my old self and it upsets me. And partly because I feel he just desires the attention, which is why for the past year he is at the exact same place he began. Whatever the case may be, my post was more of a response and out of line.
I do care for Karate, as much as you can on a virtual sober website but I also recognize that nothing I post is going to change him and perhaps this is also frustrating (my own need to help and inability to - ego). Whatever the true motives conscious or unconscious my post was rude and aggressive and I apologize.
Good luck Karate.
No harm here ,or hard feelings ,now .
If we had been in person while I was on day 3 no snuff or beer ,the outcome may have been different
.Those first 3 days I could not stand to hear the voice of another human .
It really bothered me just listening to my boy or wife .
Beer AND nicotine at the same time proved a bit too much .
I sure was nervious /edgy ,better now .
Don't know what day im on ,I actually forgot .
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