Mental clarity ....
I don't know what im going to do long term , but this is day 3 today .
I just took a break from studying to check in .
Im going to quit for a while at any rate .
Im really given a lot of credit for being more of a puppet master ,than I really am .
I am far too busy to just come on here to stir the pot ,Im genuinely trying to sort this deal out .
Trying to find my way ,so to speak .
None of this is ment as a joke or to offend anyone .
I just took a break from studying to check in .
Im going to quit for a while at any rate .
Im really given a lot of credit for being more of a puppet master ,than I really am .
I am far too busy to just come on here to stir the pot ,Im genuinely trying to sort this deal out .
Trying to find my way ,so to speak .
None of this is ment as a joke or to offend anyone .
I honestly do believe coming on a forum where people talk about drinking problems. And posting about how well you are doing at moderating the "beast" is counterproductive. As has been said, if someone 3 days sober is on the fence and sees you talking about how good things are going moderating. That might be all it takes for them to say hell with it,and get drunk.
If you want to keep trying to moderate,it's your life. But I am afraid talking about it here might not be good for others.
Just my honest opinion....
fred
If you want to keep trying to moderate,it's your life. But I am afraid talking about it here might not be good for others.
Just my honest opinion....
fred
I agree with them
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Sure it's not great reading on a recovery site that people are still drinking but recovery has many shades of grey, it's not always black and white!!
Posting on the forum isn't about making or stopping anyone from drinking - its about support for those who want support in stopping, and in helping others get on with living who have already stopped. Its not about supporting moderation. People make their own choices of course, and yet support in a community such as SR does help. SR does have influence, and so a responsibility is created to maintain a supportive community.
Like I said earlier, this is a worthy thread.
Like I said earlier, this is a worthy thread.
As much as I appreciate your input on this site Karate, I am a little confused as to your intentions. Having looked over some of your previous threads, a lot of them centre on the negative effects of alcohol with regard to sleep, anxiety, mental clarity etc. I denote from your posts that you are acutely aware of the damaging side effects alcohol has and you often seem keen to re iterate them to others so I am confused as to why you would choose to moderate.
More importantly however, the fact you post regularly on this site about moderating demonstrates that alcohol, even if you are only drinking it in moderate quantities , is taking centre stage in your life and psyche. Do you think people who enjoy a few beers now and then or even every day who aren't experiencing the negative effects of alcohol would post frequently on a recovery site? For them drinking doesn't dominate their psyche and is of little importance. For you, and maybe I'm getting this wrong, it seems that it does dominate your thoughts and the only way to change that is abstinence. Alcoholism is more about obsession with alcohol than merely how much you drink and how frequently, so maybe ask yourself how much of your thoughts and actions are devoted to alcohol.
Good luck with whatever you decide, I just wish the best for you
More importantly however, the fact you post regularly on this site about moderating demonstrates that alcohol, even if you are only drinking it in moderate quantities , is taking centre stage in your life and psyche. Do you think people who enjoy a few beers now and then or even every day who aren't experiencing the negative effects of alcohol would post frequently on a recovery site? For them drinking doesn't dominate their psyche and is of little importance. For you, and maybe I'm getting this wrong, it seems that it does dominate your thoughts and the only way to change that is abstinence. Alcoholism is more about obsession with alcohol than merely how much you drink and how frequently, so maybe ask yourself how much of your thoughts and actions are devoted to alcohol.
Good luck with whatever you decide, I just wish the best for you
I'm not confused by you at all Karate
As I've said several times I *was* you.
I think if each of us here is honest, part of the road to acceptance is that swinging between brief moments of clarity and honesty - where you know exactly what drinking is doing to you...
and much longer stretches of BS where you try and convince everyone else, and yourself, that you're doing ok taming the Alcoholism beast....
eventually, if you're lucky, the denial moments get shorter and farther between, and the honest clear moments grow to fill that gap.
I honestly genuinely and sincerely hope you get lucky Karate
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As I've said several times I *was* you.
I think if each of us here is honest, part of the road to acceptance is that swinging between brief moments of clarity and honesty - where you know exactly what drinking is doing to you...
and much longer stretches of BS where you try and convince everyone else, and yourself, that you're doing ok taming the Alcoholism beast....
eventually, if you're lucky, the denial moments get shorter and farther between, and the honest clear moments grow to fill that gap.
I honestly genuinely and sincerely hope you get lucky Karate
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It would seem that information about the medical value of alcohol or marijuana or opiates or adderall gets twisted into craziness by the rationalizing mind of a statistically significant fraction of the human population.
The human talent for rationalizing may even surpass the human talent for scientific research! What could be more human than to decide--after reading red wine reduces the risk of heart disease--that it is okay to eat two large pizzas if you chase it with two glasses of red wine. We all know someone who runs three miles on a treadmill so they can have the "Monster" sundae at the local ice cream shoppe.
I have used the valid concept "excessive stress is unhealthy" to rationalize taking several drinks. The problem is not science but the crazy way I insist on misinterpreting science when I am not thinking right.
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It would seem that information about the medical value of alcohol or marijuana or opiates or adderall gets twisted into craziness by the rationalizing mind of a statistically significant fraction of the human population.
The human talent for rationalizing may even surpass the human talent for scientific research! What could be more human than to decide--after reading red wine reduces the risk of heart disease--that it is okay to eat two large pizzas if you chase it with two glasses of red wine. We all know someone who runs three miles on a treadmill so they can have the "Monster" sundae at the local ice cream shoppe.
I have used the valid concept "excessive stress is unhealthy" to rationalize taking several drinks. The problem is not science but the crazy way I insist on misinterpreting science when I am not thinking right.
The human talent for rationalizing may even surpass the human talent for scientific research! What could be more human than to decide--after reading red wine reduces the risk of heart disease--that it is okay to eat two large pizzas if you chase it with two glasses of red wine. We all know someone who runs three miles on a treadmill so they can have the "Monster" sundae at the local ice cream shoppe.
I have used the valid concept "excessive stress is unhealthy" to rationalize taking several drinks. The problem is not science but the crazy way I insist on misinterpreting science when I am not thinking right.
karate doesn't confuse me either. Sounds exactly like I was for decades, trying to figure out if I had a problem or not when I actually had a huge, glaring one.
Oh my gosh, I was starting to think I was the only one!! I've said soooo many times that I just don't understand why I started blacking out on what I don't consider to be very many drinks. It's like at the end I could drink LESS (but was drinking more due to drinking past blackout).
All *they* talk about is building a huge tolerance but I felt mine was decreasing.
All *they* talk about is building a huge tolerance but I felt mine was decreasing.
I fully agree, as one my pet peeves is the filtered information about exercise that is everywhere used on the grounds that direct information will alienate people. Still, on balance, the basic message "try to keep your body moving" is being conveyed. Similarly, the basic message "drinking a lot is bad" is out there. I am curious how the discussion of marijuana will proceed in coming years: what forms of straight up or filtered information will dominate the discussion?
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I fully agree, as one my pet peeves is the filtered information about exercise that is everywhere used on the grounds that direct information will alienate people. Still, on balance, the basic message "try to keep your body moving" is being conveyed. Similarly, the basic message "drinking a lot is bad" is out there. I am curious how the discussion of marijuana will proceed in coming years: what forms of straight up or filtered information will dominate the discussion?
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I noticed Somthing , at moderate amounts of drinking .
My mental ability is reduced the next day as well .
Energy levels are reduced as well as attitude .
Now , think about I have not been excessively drinking ,
But small levels are enough to make my mental job difficult .
Just a little thing to think about .
I was not dependent , but it was enough to take my edge off .
My mental ability is reduced the next day as well .
Energy levels are reduced as well as attitude .
Now , think about I have not been excessively drinking ,
But small levels are enough to make my mental job difficult .
Just a little thing to think about .
I was not dependent , but it was enough to take my edge off .
Take the edge off, wow. The edge of life? life is life time to grow and and deal with it.
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karate doesn't confuse me either. Sounds exactly like I was for decades, trying to figure out if I had a problem or not when I actually had a huge, glaring one.
Oh my gosh, I was starting to think I was the only one!! I've said soooo many times that I just don't understand why I started blacking out on what I don't consider to be very many drinks. It's like at the end I could drink LESS (but was drinking more due to drinking past blackout).
All *they* talk about is building a huge tolerance but I felt mine was decreasing.
Oh my gosh, I was starting to think I was the only one!! I've said soooo many times that I just don't understand why I started blacking out on what I don't consider to be very many drinks. It's like at the end I could drink LESS (but was drinking more due to drinking past blackout).
All *they* talk about is building a huge tolerance but I felt mine was decreasing.
Reverse tolerance often indicates that there is damage to the liver caused by heavy drinking that induces a higher BAC, and then leads to a buildup of fat and scar tissue.
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