Professor David Nutt on Alcohol
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Originally Posted by Raider 
Why oh why. Cam I put down a joint and not a glass off vodka???
1. Though you smoked a lot.....maybe even a ton.....you, given your ability to put it down and walk away, were obviously NOT a drug addict. You were a drug user, probably a heavy user. Maybe even an abuser......but not an addict.
2. Given your experience with booze...you may just be an alcoholic.
Addiction to one doesn't = addiction to the other. I walked away from drugs but couldn't do the same with booze. hence, I'm an alkie but not an addict.
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On the subject of this thread.....while he may make some good points, I personally wouldn't recommend "substitution" over recovery - ever. I didn't get sober to just pick up another bad habit. I want to grow, to be better, to live better.......not just practice the same dumb behaviors in another area of my life.
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...whereas my POV is the problem wasn't the weed or the booze somuch as the problem was me.
My intent was always the same - to get effed up and escape - just the
'rocket fuel' varied...
which is why I can't get on board with the replacement drug theory
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My intent was always the same - to get effed up and escape - just the
'rocket fuel' varied...
which is why I can't get on board with the replacement drug theory
D
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^^^^^^^ for SURE! No disagreement there Dee.
I was just responding to the "why could I quit one but not the other" part of the question.
Man, if only it WAS the booze........or the drugs........ I could have played a LOT of golf over the past 6 yrs.
I was just responding to the "why could I quit one but not the other" part of the question.
Man, if only it WAS the booze........or the drugs........ I could have played a LOT of golf over the past 6 yrs.
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Weed is certainly overly lauded in some quarter, legalization and science aside. I've known people totally immersed and dependent on it. The most annoying thing about it for me was like, I'm sitting here talking to the person, and she's lighting up. Oops! She's got to insulate, go and have her other tandem experience! Like any drug in that respect. The provenance of an unexplored personality. I feel a lot of resentment toward marajuana culture, the know-it-all-ness the narcissism, the bad music, the holier than thou politics, the lack of a sense of irony, or else the lionized, American Pie notion of escape from a coddled but hellish state of affairs. My neighbors fill the halls of our building with its smell, and they probably think the odor is herbal and pleasant, like incense. I'm certain they would totally judge me 100% if I called them out on it. They wouldn't say as much, or acknowledge as much to themselves, but they would total not give a second to trying to see it from anyone elses point of view.
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There certainly is a lot of misinformation in popular culture about cannabis these days. It's acquired a fairly glamorous image, and one result of that is young people perceive it as harmless. For some people it is, as with alcohol, but for others it is not.
I work with kids who are extremely at risk, and who come from backgrounds that include intense childhood trauma. Seeing them buy into the glamorous image of weed is frustrating and at the end of the day, dangerous for them.
Like Dee, I'm a former pot addict myself. This current, weed doesn't hurt anybody line, is in my opinion quite bunk. Having said that, I can't get behind the War on Drugs either. People like the kids I work with reach for weed because they had the misfortune of being born into really crummy circumstances. Throwing them in jail for trying to deal with their emotional pain the easiest way available to them, seems inhumane, and at the end of the day, completely without compassion.
My two cents anyhoot.
I work with kids who are extremely at risk, and who come from backgrounds that include intense childhood trauma. Seeing them buy into the glamorous image of weed is frustrating and at the end of the day, dangerous for them.
Like Dee, I'm a former pot addict myself. This current, weed doesn't hurt anybody line, is in my opinion quite bunk. Having said that, I can't get behind the War on Drugs either. People like the kids I work with reach for weed because they had the misfortune of being born into really crummy circumstances. Throwing them in jail for trying to deal with their emotional pain the easiest way available to them, seems inhumane, and at the end of the day, completely without compassion.
My two cents anyhoot.
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IMHO, whether you are addicted to pot or not, if you are an alcoholic and continue to use pot after quitting drinking, you truly are not sober and cannot address your issues with a clear mind nor truly feel and explore the depth of your emotions which are painfully exposed when you are truly sober.
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