Why do we have to make things more complicated then they are?
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Originally Posted by caboblanco 
Recovery circles make up these theories on alcoholism. The alcoholic personality, the Alcoholic Voice, the roles of an alcoholic family, things we
NEED to do if we are an alcoholic and so on. Why can't there be one recovery method that just sticks to hard science and thats it? Is that alcoholic
voice nothing other then our own thoughts and wants? Why does it have to be some separate entity that we didn't create? The enabler is always dragged
into the situation. There is no enabler because you have total control over your own drinking. Every alcoholic can find a so-called enabler by the
definition created for it. Your employer is an enabler. All we have to do is stop drinking. Does bringing in all these made up tools really help people get sober? Shouldn't we keep things factual and simple?
NEED to do if we are an alcoholic and so on. Why can't there be one recovery method that just sticks to hard science and thats it? Is that alcoholic
voice nothing other then our own thoughts and wants? Why does it have to be some separate entity that we didn't create? The enabler is always dragged
into the situation. There is no enabler because you have total control over your own drinking. Every alcoholic can find a so-called enabler by the
definition created for it. Your employer is an enabler. All we have to do is stop drinking. Does bringing in all these made up tools really help people get sober? Shouldn't we keep things factual and simple?
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[QUOTE=caboblanco;4131402]Recovery circles make up these theories on alcoholism. The alcoholic personality, the Alcoholic Voice, the roles of an alcoholic family, things we
NEED to do if we are an alcoholic and so on. Why can't there be one recovery method that just sticks to hard science and thats it? Is that alcoholic
voice nothing other then our own thoughts and wants? Why does it have to be some separate entity that we didn't create? The enabler is always dragged
into the situation. There is no enabler because you have total control over your own drinking. Every alcoholic can find a so-called enabler by the
definition created for it. Your employer is an enabler. All we have to do is stop drinking. Does bringing in all these made up tools really help people get sober? Shouldn't we keep things factual and simple?[/QUOTE]
ah Cabo, all you had to do is stop drinking!
and since you and i and all of us had and have total control over our own drinking , how and why on earth did we end up here?
if i'd had total control, i'd not be here writing to you now.
NEED to do if we are an alcoholic and so on. Why can't there be one recovery method that just sticks to hard science and thats it? Is that alcoholic
voice nothing other then our own thoughts and wants? Why does it have to be some separate entity that we didn't create? The enabler is always dragged
into the situation. There is no enabler because you have total control over your own drinking. Every alcoholic can find a so-called enabler by the
definition created for it. Your employer is an enabler. All we have to do is stop drinking. Does bringing in all these made up tools really help people get sober? Shouldn't we keep things factual and simple?[/QUOTE]
ah Cabo, all you had to do is stop drinking!
and since you and i and all of us had and have total control over our own drinking , how and why on earth did we end up here?
if i'd had total control, i'd not be here writing to you now.
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You are right in the fact that all we have to do is stop drinking. The other part is to stay of the mind that we don't drink, and that is where the trouble is. A lot of these tools may be merely "tricks" to keep our thinking right about sobriety, but that's fine. Humans have been shown time and time again to be irrational and illogical in many ways. If I find the right set of tricks that keeps me sober, then I am going to keep using them.
Many of these "tricks" are well founded in science and have plenty of evidence to support their effectiveness.
Many of these "tricks" are well founded in science and have plenty of evidence to support their effectiveness.
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If science could provide the answer, it would invent a cure for alcoholism, like a pill. Hasn't been done yet. They do have a pill that will reduce the effects if alcohol when you do drink, but it won't turn an alcoholic into a non-alcoholic.
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I agree with you cabo. I choose not to "personify" my addiction, because honestly I find it kind of childish. It would be like saying "I'd better not be naughty today, because Santa's watching". It's BS...but that's just me!
If it works for others, then who cares? I don't get into the whole Beast thing, but I still read it. Just for the knowledge. I always enjoy seeing what works for others, and it gives me more tools in my tool box in case my current method of recovery stew stops working. Who knows, maybe someday I'll start churning out the AV talk and start doing the 12 steps? There's nothing wrong with being skeptical and critical - then again everyone's recovery is their own. If it works, then do it.
If it works for others, then who cares? I don't get into the whole Beast thing, but I still read it. Just for the knowledge. I always enjoy seeing what works for others, and it gives me more tools in my tool box in case my current method of recovery stew stops working. Who knows, maybe someday I'll start churning out the AV talk and start doing the 12 steps? There's nothing wrong with being skeptical and critical - then again everyone's recovery is their own. If it works, then do it.
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Originally Posted by Mirage74
They do have a pill that will reduce the effects if alcohol when you do drink, but it won't turn an alcoholic into a non-alcoholic.
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Originally Posted by caboblanco
All we have to do is stop drinking.
If I don't clear away the wreckage of my past and develop the tools to live like a normal person then I will pick that glass back up.
The goal of recovery and living sober is not to just stop drinking, it is to remain that way.
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This makes me think of those anti hangover pills they sell on the counter at some beer stores. I used to seriously consider them--"Hmmm, try the pills or spend the money on beer?" Needless to say I never tried the pills but I heard they were developed for secret agents to negate the effects of excessive drinking. Science!
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I envy the people who "all they have to do is stop drinking" to fix their lives. Boy, I wish. Did that...saved me some money but didn't fix much of anything.
took out the booze and drugs, but there was still the same old me. Would have been nice if detox was all I needed to do.
took out the booze and drugs, but there was still the same old me. Would have been nice if detox was all I needed to do.
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