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Old 07-20-2012, 01:42 PM
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Our NHS may not be perfect but it is flipping good!

Where else in the world can you be sick and see a doctor or nurse the almost the same day for free? You can if you try.
You have many options in the UK - GP surgery, walk in centre (name is a big give away - you just walk in), hospitals and A&E, drop in centres for other problems, well woman clinic's, emergency doctors, home visits (usually for very poorly people or elderly people who cannot get to the surgery), specialist teams.

If you break a bone and need it pinning or plating and require surgery, that is just done. The simplist of procedures costs around 25,000 pounds and we don't pay a penny!!!!!! They just banadage us up and sort us out, look after us, even if we have done it when we are plastered or drunk as a skunk. Often without judging.

Maybe GP's don't have a great in depth understanding of alcoholism or depression. But they are there to treat where they can and refer onto secondary care when necessary for greater help and indepth knowledge. They have to know so much about so many illnesses. They cannot be experts in everything symptom they see.

Dawnie - go to the doctors, stop putting it off. Just take any appointment and go. If you get nowhere make an appointment to see another GP. Go to AA, stop putting it off.

Invest time in yourself to help you get better.
Educate yourself about your disease.
Educate yourself about treatment.
If you have time to sit and get drunk, you have time to read about alcoholism, depression and anxiety.

Listen to the professionals - if they think it's post natal depression making you agrophobic and pushing you towards drink, accept it and work with them. If it's wrong then let them re-diagnose you.

I think your emotions will become a lot more rational when you have not got a stack of booze in your system.

Just think forward a number of years - do you want your kids to be embaressed of their drunk mum? Do you want to sit and look back on life and regret the time you drank away.

Children grow so quickly - don't miss a moment, especially not to a bottle or can of rotton fruit. Please.




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Old 07-20-2012, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Sasha4 View Post
Our NHS may not be perfect but it is flipping good!

Where else in the world can you be sick and see a doctor or nurse the almost the same day for free? You can if you try.
You have many options in the UK - GP surgery, walk in centre (name is a big give away - you just walk in), hospitals and A&E, drop in centres for other problems, well woman clinic's, emergency doctors, home visits (usually for very poorly people or elderly people who cannot get to the surgery), specialist teams.

If you break a bone and need it pinning or plating and require surgery, that is just done. The simplist of procedures costs around 25,000 pounds and we don't pay a penny!!!!!! They just banadage us up and sort us out, look after us, even if we have done it when we are plastered or drunk as a skunk. Often without judging.

Maybe GP's don't have a great in depth understanding of alcoholism or depression. But they are there to treat where they can and refer onto secondary care when necessary for greater help and indepth knowledge. They have to know so much about so many illnesses. They cannot be experts in everything symptom they see.

Dawnie - go to the doctors, stop putting it off. Just take any appointment and go. If you get nowhere make an appointment to see another GP. Go to AA, stop putting it off.

Invest time in yourself to help you get better.
Educate yourself about your disease.
Educate yourself about treatment.
If you have time to sit and get drunk, you have time to read about alcoholism, depression and anxiety.

Listen to the professionals - if they think it's post natal depression making you agrophobic and pushing you towards drink, accept it and work with them. If it's wrong then let them re-diagnose you.

I think your emotions will become a lot more rational when you have not got a stack of booze in your system.

Just think forward a number of years - do you want your kids to be embaressed of their drunk mum? Do you want to sit and look back on life and regret the time you drank away.

Children grow so quickly - don't miss a moment, especially not to a bottle or can of rotton fruit. Please.




This is serious stuff.

I totally agree. Can I just clarify I wasnot criticizing the NHS-I agree it is brilliant. I was just concerned that a GP is unlikely to be able to sort Dawnie's problem out today, will prob be a lengthy referral-I thought AA would give better and immediate options and results.Even though she can't get a GP app today she could def get AA help today.
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Old 07-20-2012, 02:23 PM
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I've really struggled with doctors too Dawnie so I can understand your frustration. Sometimes it is really hard to get the help you need/want. But you can't use it as an excuse not to quit. Going to AA sounds like a great idea. I have googled meetings in Manc before when I was there for a weekend and you have a really good choice there! There's a women's meeting in the city centre, and there are SMART meetings in Stockport on a Thursday afternoon. For me it really helped to be with people who had gone through the same alcohol services as I had and still not managed to get sober. I think local support is really important. And you're in a good place for it. I wish you all the best. *hugs* x
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Old 07-20-2012, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by justhadenough View Post
I totally agree. Can I just clarify I wasnot criticizing the NHS-I agree it is brilliant. I was just concerned that a GP is unlikely to be able to sort Dawnie's problem out today, will prob be a lengthy referral-I thought AA would give better and immediate options and results.Even though she can't get a GP app today she could def get AA help today.
Hey no offense taken and I hope I did not offend you as I certainly was not picking on your post in any way what so ever.

I understand the appointment fustration totally.

I just think we all, me included, and when I say 'we' I mean all human beings, need to manage our own help. Take some self responsibility.

I think i just realise how mazing the NHS is when you see third world country children with not even clean water to drink and I could effectively walk across a field and probably be seen within 48 hours by a qualified health professional. That is amazing!

I also agree with you about AA 100%. In the UK we can go to a meeting, ring a helpline or even be visited at home.


Sorry I you thought my post was a direct hit on you, I really did not mean it. Please forgive me?

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Old 07-20-2012, 03:20 PM
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Spot on regarding the NHS Sasha.
We moan about paying our taxes, but we get fantastic healthcare for free.

I put off going to the doctor for a long time. That was total denial... Its a cliche, but if I knew then what I know now...!

Make an appointment dawnie, if they say they are booked, make it for when they aren't booked (a few days time?) and use the emergency numbers if there is an emergency.
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Old 07-20-2012, 03:48 PM
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The NHS has a lot of things going for it. It caught my mum's lung cancer very early, as a result of which, she's still here. [She'd gone in for something different, and the doctor sent her for a chest x ray because he thought she sounded not very good]
There are some, indeed, quite a lot of things it does brilliantly.
There are some that are patchy - the whole 'postcode lottery' thing isn't a myth unfortunately, and alas, there are some things that it doesn't handle well.
MyTimeNow, Sasha, I'm glad that you have had positive experiences. Most of the people I have encountered... have not been so fortunate. But that's in a different time and a different place.
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Old 07-20-2012, 03:58 PM
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I'm really scared for your kids. I hope that you are too. If you don't get help, I honestly do hope that you still have a social worker or child services involved so that someone is willing to watch out for those little ones.
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Old 07-20-2012, 11:16 PM
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I completely agree about the postcode lottery thing, of course it exists. However I have already posted a link to an NHS community alcohol program in Dawnies area so that is not the problem here.

Dawnie, you said they said to ring back next week? Well that will be Monday morning. Stand by your phone and get dialling the minute they open. Don't give any reason to the receptionist, say you'd rather only discuss it with the doctor but you need an appointment today. Every surgery has times put by for patients who need to be seen same day.

It is hard but you need to be making steps now to get this sorted. If you have a social worker they will be there to support you. The only time you need to be worried about them is if they see that you are NOT taking any action to help yourself.
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Old 07-21-2012, 12:00 AM
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For us in the UK we have to remember it's 'our' NHS.

If we do not recieve the best possible care, we should highlight it to the relevant person or authourity, so that it can be improved for the next time or the next person.

The NHS is all about us making choices - 'don't decide without me'
We can decide where we have treatment, by picking any hospital in the UK.

I just cannot imagine being really ill and the first thought is not go to A&E but can I afford it?

I would not say my experience of NHS has been 100% positive but I do realise doctors and nurses are human and humans all make mistakes from time to time, get tired or have a bad day.
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Old 07-21-2012, 12:13 AM
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Hey no offense taken and I hope I did not offend you as I certainly was not picking on your post in any way what so ever.

I understand the appointment fustration totally.

I just think we all, me included, and when I say 'we' I mean all human beings, need to manage our own help. Take some self responsibility.


I think i just realise how mazing the NHS is when you see third world country children with not even clean water to drink and I could effectively walk across a field and probably be seen within 48 hours by a qualified health professional. That is amazing!

I also agree with you about AA 100%. In the UK we can go to a meeting, ring a helpline or even be visited at home.


Sorry I you thought my post was a direct hit on you, I really did not mean it. Please forgive me?

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Hi Sashaa

It's ok-I didn't think your post was a direct hit on me .I just wanted to clarify as it did sound as if I was criticizing the NHS

I've highlighted the bit of your post which really jumps out at me and hopefully Dawnie too. At the end of the day it is our responsibility to get sober. We can all make excuses all day long but until we 100% want to get sober and take the self responsibility to get outside help there is nothing anyone else can do
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Old 07-23-2012, 10:21 AM
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Hope your weekend has been a good one Dawnie, did you manage to get to a doctor or the AA meet today?
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Old 07-23-2012, 10:37 AM
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Hope your weekend has been a good one Dawnie, did you manage to get to a doctor or the AA meet today?
I was wondering the same thing.

Dawnie, I really hope you were willing to take the actions to get the help you need today. There are a lot of people here that really do care what happens with you and your children. Alcoholism is no way to live or raise a family, especially when there are solutions available that truly work. Recovery is a gift I hope you will accept. I am sending lots of love and big prayers.
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Old 07-23-2012, 11:01 AM
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Hope your weekend has been a good one Dawnie, did you manage to get to a doctor or the AA meet today?
I was also thinking of you Dawnie.How are you?How did you get on?
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Old 07-23-2012, 11:11 AM
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Me too Dawnie,

Let us know how things went, OK?

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Old 07-23-2012, 12:07 PM
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For us in the UK we have to remember it's 'our' NH.
I just cannot imagine being really ill and the first thought is not go to A&E but can I afford it?day.
Sadly, thats how the United States is. I have been refused treatment for severe intoxication several times & had to go to a nearby hospital & convince them to take me.
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Old 07-25-2012, 07:31 AM
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My first AA meeting, I had crippling anxiety (I have GAD and SAD) I was literally shaking, couldn't make eye contact, having shoulder and neck spasms as I was super tense. I still walked through those doors and even walked up front to get my 24 hour chip in front of everyone. No I'm not tooting my own horn, I'm just saying stop making excuses. I went for myself, I went for my kids. Stop making excuses. No doc appt? so what! get to a meeting, or at least get real with yourself.
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