MaryAnn100

Not all alkies are liars, just as not all liars are alkies. Just sayin.....

Mark75

What about to themselves.

SSIL75

I was trying to think of how to say the same thing!

MaryAnn100

There we go again, there are different types of alcoholics.......why assume your problems are the same issues that others have?

Mark75

Hey, I was just askin...

I do not believe that all alkies are morally corrupt, evil, lying rat b@stards... So we probably agree much more than we disagree.

So you were completely honest with yourself... Not just whether you were alcoholic, but the effect your drinking had on others.

MaryAnn100

My drinking made me lose my caution and that is not good for me or those around me.

Therefore my sobriety is crucial not just for my own safety.

suki44883

I'd say that is probably true for most of us. Most of us have families and when we are impaired, we don't always make good decisions.

I'm glad you are no longer drinking.

loveon2legs

I lied to myself...for many years.....but I'm out from the darkness and into the light!!!!

Boleo

"The “Therapists” in A.A. already have their doctorates in the four fields where the alcoholic reigns supreme: phoniness, self-deception, evasion and self-pity. He is not asked what he is thinking. He is told what he is thinking. No one waits to trap him in a lie. He is told what lies he is getting ready to tell. In the end, he begins to achieve honesty by default. There's not much point in trying to fool people who may have invented the game you're playing."

http://www.aa.org/pdf/products/p-41_...yeviewofaa.pdf

Ranger

You sure you were doing it right?

Sorry for the levity. A stronger man could have resisted.

MaryAnn100

Boleo,

Might be true for some.......but not every drunk hides a bottle.......not every drunk fights...........sorry I don't buy that we are all liars...........the only universal lie with alkies is the one we tell ourselves about controlling our drinking.

Mark75

I find myself wondering why this is such an issue for you. We all come at this thing, alcoholism, recovery... With our own set of issues... My own opinion is that as a group we are no worse or no better than the rest of humanity...

bellakeller

That's a pretty big lie. And maybe not a serial one but certainly chronic. Just because it's one we tell ourselves doesn't mean it's not still a lie.

Here's a quote from The Kite Runner that struck me recently. It's been on my mind lately.

"There is only one sin, only one. And that is theft. Every other sin is a variation of theft... When you kill a man, you steal a life. You steal his wife's right to a husband, rob his children of a father. When you tell a lie, you steal someone's right to the truth. When you cheat, you steal the right to fairness."

You're stealing your own right to the truth.

Boleo

Not bad, not bad. In fact, this is pretty good. But then again, the good is the enemy of the best LOL!

There is only one sin, only one. And that is delusional thinking. So says Hindu scripture going back at least 17,000 years. Every other sin is a variation of delusion... When you tell a lie, you suffer from the delusion that you know what is best for yourself. Anytime you think you know best, you are delusional... Anytime you think you are superior, you are delusional... Anytime you think you are entitled to more than your share, you are delusional... Anytime you think you are separate, you are delusional.

thewall

If I am not a liar but I lie about the ability to control my drinking then what does that make me?

You don't have to be an alcoholic to lie about certain aspects of your being nor does doing so make a person the scourge of the earth.

As we work toward absolute rigorous honesty it is for each of us to decide what we need to be shed of and what we are being dishonest about.

MaryAnn100

Yeah........ sure.

Impurrfect

I'm a recovering crackhead. I never stole money or drugs, unlike most of the people I hung around with it. It's a non-issue with me. I read here, all the time, from loved ones of crack abusers how they will always steal, always lie, etc. In fact, I warn many of them of that very risk.

I know the person I am now, and the person I was when I was using. I did things I'm not proud of, but it doesn't define me. If someone wants to make a generalization about crack abusers, that's their opinion and that's ALL it is. It may have stung, at first, but now it's a non-issue.

Hugs and prayers,

Amy

CarolD

I was a liar as a small child....at 4 I got my first spaking for lying.

Those years of lying had absolutely nothing to do with
either my drinking or recovery.

I'm unsure of your point MaryAn ...but hope you find both sobriety and serenity

thewall

Is that supposed to be a rejoinder? Not really sure what "Yeah......sure." implies.

Boleo

Yeah implies... I know better.

Sure implies... I ought to know (shouldn't I?) LOL.