Quitting FOREVER!!
You probably saw my response in the other thread Supercrew but I wouldn't have been able to quit if I'd have told myself that it was "forever." I had to tell myself things like "quit for a while and see what happens" "wait until your vacation" "maybe you can go for a year" etc.
And now, at 51 days, I can see how "forever" might actually be what happens.
And now, at 51 days, I can see how "forever" might actually be what happens.
I would say that there is something different physically and mentally about my alcoholism. It may be in the form of liver damage or subtle brain damage but once I start to drink, all bets are off.
Does this whole recovery process of telling people they can't have something really do more harm than good instead of trying to teach people why they don't want it? I have never meet a pickle who turned back into a cucumber.
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Does the word "forever" make us even more irrational regarding our obsession to our DOC or anything else we enjoy but is bad for us?
I never could handle the word "forever" nor do I think it needs to stay ODAAT forever. When I experienced a spiritual awakening, I realized sobriety is no longer any of my business.
"Sought after virtue is not true virtue".
(Lao Tzu)
Does this whole recovery process of telling people they can't have something really do more harm than good instead of trying to teach people why they don't want it?
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Does the word "forever" make us even more irrational regarding our obsession to our DOC or anything else we enjoy but is bad for us?
"Sought after virtue is not true virtue".
(Lao Tzu)
Congrats on day 51 Reset! Our right stringing together a bunch of one days could eventually lead to forever. And every single day you are sober is better for your health even if it doesn't last forever.
I would say that there is something different physically and mentally about my alcoholism. It may be in the form of liver damage or subtle brain damage but once I start to drink, all bets are off.
I meant aside from our alcoholism. No doubt we are different when it comes to how we react with alcohol in our system.
I have never meet a pickle who turned back into a cucumber.
I meant aside from our alcoholism. No doubt we are different when it comes to how we react with alcohol in our system.
I have never meet a pickle who turned back into a cucumber.
I never could handle the word "forever" nor do I think it needs to stay ODAAT forever. When I experienced a spiritual awakening, I realized sobriety is no longer any of my business.
I haven't had a spiritual awakening so sobriety is always my business if I want to be sober.
"Sought after virtue is not true virtue".
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I never really approached quitting odaat....id never heard the concept until I came here at 7 days sober...idk...maybe I would have quit earlier with odaat but instead I went with "forever" ...it took longed but once I got it in my head that I was done I was very comfortable with it....odaat makes me a little uncomfortable in fact
Supercrew....what's up with all the philosophy dude?
Supercrew....what's up with all the philosophy dude?
My mind is coming back La Femme!
I will quit if its buggin.
I have been working out hard daily. I am working on 2 new business ideas and three new proposals with my regular job. I am researching new supplements for myself, I am coaching my son 5 days a week, and developing a new offense for football season which is 6 months away, and yet I have an urge to post a little more.
The mind is just pumping!!
I will quit if its buggin.
I have been working out hard daily. I am working on 2 new business ideas and three new proposals with my regular job. I am researching new supplements for myself, I am coaching my son 5 days a week, and developing a new offense for football season which is 6 months away, and yet I have an urge to post a little more.
The mind is just pumping!!
Just a couple of random thoughts -
I live one day at time, not not drink one day at a time. The latter disturbs me - it sounds too close to white knuckling.
But while I have no use for the concept of "forever," I did not get into this to "try sobriety." A lot of people toss that expression around like sobriety is as simple as trying on a new hat or something and usually goes hand in hand with go to 90 in 90 and if you don't like sobriety your misery will be refunded. Ugh, if I'm certainly not the sober poster boy but I'd be nowhere without commitment and an understanding that alcoholism, unchecked, is a quick ticket to an early grave.
I live one day at time, not not drink one day at a time. The latter disturbs me - it sounds too close to white knuckling.
But while I have no use for the concept of "forever," I did not get into this to "try sobriety." A lot of people toss that expression around like sobriety is as simple as trying on a new hat or something and usually goes hand in hand with go to 90 in 90 and if you don't like sobriety your misery will be refunded. Ugh, if I'm certainly not the sober poster boy but I'd be nowhere without commitment and an understanding that alcoholism, unchecked, is a quick ticket to an early grave.
Thanks for the post Drac, I agree that "not drinking just for today" is what I did to get started on my path, and without some sort of enlightenment or a better understanding of my problem it would seem like "whiteknuckling" for just way too long.
As for the usefulness of the "forever" concept, I think if I was still in the mindset of "I can never drink again", as opposed to my current thinking that "I am loving sobriety and never want to drink again", the forever idea seems like my best option at this point.
But in the beginning it was hard to grasp and I think it made the mental obsession for me worse. But I am sure everyone has a different take on it.
As for the usefulness of the "forever" concept, I think if I was still in the mindset of "I can never drink again", as opposed to my current thinking that "I am loving sobriety and never want to drink again", the forever idea seems like my best option at this point.
But in the beginning it was hard to grasp and I think it made the mental obsession for me worse. But I am sure everyone has a different take on it.
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Loving this thread, Supercrew. Just spent the day on a plane reading Marcus Aurelius, who would feel right at home with you and Zencat. He shares your faith in observation and reason, and would also agree that all we have is the present (and it's all we lose when we die--just that one moment in time, nothing more, since the past is already long gone, and the future does not yet exist. Besides, the future is just gonna be more of same, with only the names and dates changing. Not exactly a happy go lucky guy, that Marcus...).
But I gotta agree with D: Most of my friends drink without a problem. They'd hate giving it up, but sort of like I'd hate giving up my weekly carne asada burrito. I expect they'd be more aware of its absence because alcohol is so prevalent in our culture and social circles... but I don't think most non-alcoholics would feel truly obsessed with it.
But I gotta agree with D:
I weighed it up...and kept drinking.
Last edited by Dee74; 02-22-2011 at 10:18 PM. Reason: fixed that awesome quote lol
Thanks for the thoughts, now I am craving a fat carne asada burrito! At least I am close to where I can get one!
You know my perception probably just comes from the majority of the people that I have spent the last 27 years of my life with. And like I said they would all probably be considered alcohol abusers at a minimum. Probabaly not a great sampling for my observation. But I wish there was a way I could test it.
Have a great night!
You know my perception probably just comes from the majority of the people that I have spent the last 27 years of my life with. And like I said they would all probably be considered alcohol abusers at a minimum. Probabaly not a great sampling for my observation. But I wish there was a way I could test it.
Have a great night!
I don't think most of my friends fall under the category "problem drinkers" or even close. But I do think many of them would have a hard time quitting "forever". Alcohol is too entrenched in our society.
Glad you brain is working again the threads are great imo.
Haven't read old Marcus in awhile...id like to think I am now inspired but I think id rather read some good chick lit...lol
Glad you brain is working again the threads are great imo.
Haven't read old Marcus in awhile...id like to think I am now inspired but I think id rather read some good chick lit...lol
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