TdayInLifeOfHFA
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stayed late on email last night because of problem at work
drank little less than half liter of vodka equivalent
woke up at 3am
excercised at 4am
drove around for fun and to get breakfast
drank half liter or so, remaining stash looked good
fell asleep in front of keyboard
woke up and walked for couple hours across living room
took vitamins almost forgot
waited for ex to call for t-day dinner, would have come if she called
missed call from gf
did not expect her to call as i opened up to her more or less as alcoholic
waited for couple hours and returned call
said i am with ex which was not true, was heading to store
little shaky and still little drunk
got bottle of wine just to have some extra and food
ex never called
looked at escort services for couple hours
no point did not want to drive and waste time on tday, alcohol is better option
came back and started drinking
got call from job because of issue on another continent
started working with dozen people in three continents, drinking
got food started
almost emptied stash, another half liter or so
food ready bottle is there also have dvd but damn work is keeping me sober
not feeling drunk a bit
went to sr to vent
back to work now
drank little less than half liter of vodka equivalent
woke up at 3am
excercised at 4am
drove around for fun and to get breakfast
drank half liter or so, remaining stash looked good
fell asleep in front of keyboard
woke up and walked for couple hours across living room
took vitamins almost forgot
waited for ex to call for t-day dinner, would have come if she called
missed call from gf
did not expect her to call as i opened up to her more or less as alcoholic
waited for couple hours and returned call
said i am with ex which was not true, was heading to store
little shaky and still little drunk
got bottle of wine just to have some extra and food
ex never called
looked at escort services for couple hours
no point did not want to drive and waste time on tday, alcohol is better option
came back and started drinking
got call from job because of issue on another continent
started working with dozen people in three continents, drinking
got food started
almost emptied stash, another half liter or so
food ready bottle is there also have dvd but damn work is keeping me sober
not feeling drunk a bit
went to sr to vent
back to work now
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Yup
You nailed it, I remember countless Holidays just like that one
Gimme a holla if you ever want to stop, if not, keep doing what your doing, it doesn't get any better
I haven't had any holidays like yours since I got sober.
Don't miss em much truth be told
kinda a bleak existence
You nailed it, I remember countless Holidays just like that one
Gimme a holla if you ever want to stop, if not, keep doing what your doing, it doesn't get any better
I haven't had any holidays like yours since I got sober.
Don't miss em much truth be told
kinda a bleak existence
Forward we go...side by side-Rest In Peace
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Another day ... another bottle ...another driving accident waiting
to happen. More lies to people...more job stress....more cash
spent to mess up ..............another day.
Gosh I'd forgotten how the misery go round felt.
I sure hope you will soon join us in winning over alcohol.
to happen. More lies to people...more job stress....more cash
spent to mess up ..............another day.
Gosh I'd forgotten how the misery go round felt.
I sure hope you will soon join us in winning over alcohol.
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hey guys i do want to stop, i slowed down already quite a bit
that's why i am a reader of the forum, half way through "beyond the influence"
my kid is one i feel guilty the most about
you know it's not matter of flipping the bit, it's desease people after all
that's why i am a reader of the forum, half way through "beyond the influence"
my kid is one i feel guilty the most about
you know it's not matter of flipping the bit, it's desease people after all
Wow. Just wow. I'm sorry for your chaos but you reminded me how hard it was to stay drunk. To always chase. To lie. To cause pain. To try to kill the pain.
I hope you stay well and I thank you for reminding me of what it was like.
I hope you stay well and I thank you for reminding me of what it was like.
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Yes..... I do know it's a disease And I have it
The information in "Under The Influence" convinced me.
I took that info...reconnected to God and AA
and have not returned to drinking.
This may not be anything your interested in ..I
been working great in my life since '89.
All my best
The information in "Under The Influence" convinced me.
I took that info...reconnected to God and AA
and have not returned to drinking.
This may not be anything your interested in ..I
been working great in my life since '89.
All my best
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such as justifying drinking by calling it a disease
Learning about diseases doesn't help one bit, If I had cancer I could read books about cancer until I was blue in the face with no effect on the cancer
There is a solution
It's called AA
There is no try, there is only do
When you are actually ready to quit drinking, and done with telling stories to yourself and others, come find us, we are here, and we will make you welcome
You never have to drink again
The first casualty of addiction, like that of war, is the truth. At first the addict merely denies the truth to himself. But as the addiction, like a malignant tumor, slowly and progressively expands and invades more and more of the healthy tissue of his life and mind and world, the addict begins to deny the truth to others as well as to himself. He becomes a practiced and profligate liar in all matters related to the defense and preservation of his addiction, even though prior to the onset of his addictive illness, and often still in areas as yet untouched by the addiction, he may be scrupulously honest.
First the addict lies to himself about his addiction, then he begins to lie to others. Lying, evasion, deception, manipulation, spinning and other techniques for avoiding or distorting the truth are necessary parts of the addictive process. They precede the main body of the addiction like military sappers and shock troops, mapping and clearing the way for its advance and protecting it from hostile counterattacks.
Because addiction by definition is an irrational, unbalanced and unhealthy behavior pattern resulting from an abnormal obsession, it simply cannot continue to exist under normal circumstances without the progressive attack upon and distortion of reality resulting from the operation of its propaganda and psychological warfare brigades. The fundamentally insane and unsupportable thinking and behavior of the addict must be justified and rationalized so that the addiction can continue and progress.
One of the chief ways the addiction protects and strengthens itself is by a psychology of personal exceptionalism which permits the addict to maintain a simultaneous double-entry bookkeeping of addictive and non-addictive realities and to reconcile the two when required by reference to the unique, special considerations that àat least in his own mind- happen to apply to his particular case.
The form of the logic for this personal exceptionalism is:
o Under ordinary circumstances and for most people X is undesirable/irrational;
o My circumstances are not ordinary and I am different from most people;
o Therefore X is not undesirable/irrational in my case - or not as undesirable/irrational as it would be in other cases.
Armed with this powerful tool of personal exceptionalism that is a virtual "Open Sesame" for every difficult ethical conundrum he is apt to face, the addict is free to take whatever measures are required for the preservation and progress of his addiction, while simultaneously maintaining his allegiance to the principles that would certainly apply if only his case were not a special one.
In treatment and rehabilitation centers this personal exceptionalism is commonly called "terminal uniqueness." The individual in the grip of this delusion is able to convince himself though not always others that his circumstances are such that ordinary rules and norms of behavior, rules and norms that he himself concurs with when it comes to other people, do not fairly or fully fit himself at the present time and hence must be bent or stretched just sufficiently to make room for his special needs. In most cases this plea for accommodation is acknowledged to be a temporary one and accompanied by a pledge or plan to return to the conventional "rules of engagement" as soon as circumstances permit. This is the basic mindset of "IÇll quit tomorrow" and "If you had the problems I do youÇd drink and drug, too!"
The personal exceptionalism of the addict, along with his willingness to lie both by commission and omission in the protection and furtherance of his addiction, place a severe strain upon his relationships with others. It does not usually take those who are often around the addict long to conclude that he simply cannot be believed in matters pertaining to his addiction. He may swear that he is clean and sober and intends to stay that way when in fact he is under the influence or planning to become so at the first opportunity; he may minimize or conceal the amount of substance consumed; and he may make up all manner of excuses and alibis whose usually transparent purpose is to provide his addiction the room it requires to continue operating.
One of the most damaging interpersonal scenarios occurs when the addict, usually as the consequence of some unforeseen crisis directly stemming from his addiction, promises with all of the sincerity at his command to stop his addictive behavior and never under any circumstances to resume it again.
"I promise," the addict pleads, sometimes with tears in his eyes. "I know I have been wrong, and this time I have learned my lesson. YouÇll never have to worry about me again. It will never happen again!"
But it does happen again à and again, and again, and again. Each time the promises, each time their breaking. Those who first responded to his sincere sounding promises of reform with relief, hope and at times even joy soon become disillusioned and bitter.
First the addict lies to himself about his addiction, then he begins to lie to others. Lying, evasion, deception, manipulation, spinning and other techniques for avoiding or distorting the truth are necessary parts of the addictive process. They precede the main body of the addiction like military sappers and shock troops, mapping and clearing the way for its advance and protecting it from hostile counterattacks.
Because addiction by definition is an irrational, unbalanced and unhealthy behavior pattern resulting from an abnormal obsession, it simply cannot continue to exist under normal circumstances without the progressive attack upon and distortion of reality resulting from the operation of its propaganda and psychological warfare brigades. The fundamentally insane and unsupportable thinking and behavior of the addict must be justified and rationalized so that the addiction can continue and progress.
One of the chief ways the addiction protects and strengthens itself is by a psychology of personal exceptionalism which permits the addict to maintain a simultaneous double-entry bookkeeping of addictive and non-addictive realities and to reconcile the two when required by reference to the unique, special considerations that àat least in his own mind- happen to apply to his particular case.
The form of the logic for this personal exceptionalism is:
o Under ordinary circumstances and for most people X is undesirable/irrational;
o My circumstances are not ordinary and I am different from most people;
o Therefore X is not undesirable/irrational in my case - or not as undesirable/irrational as it would be in other cases.
Armed with this powerful tool of personal exceptionalism that is a virtual "Open Sesame" for every difficult ethical conundrum he is apt to face, the addict is free to take whatever measures are required for the preservation and progress of his addiction, while simultaneously maintaining his allegiance to the principles that would certainly apply if only his case were not a special one.
In treatment and rehabilitation centers this personal exceptionalism is commonly called "terminal uniqueness." The individual in the grip of this delusion is able to convince himself though not always others that his circumstances are such that ordinary rules and norms of behavior, rules and norms that he himself concurs with when it comes to other people, do not fairly or fully fit himself at the present time and hence must be bent or stretched just sufficiently to make room for his special needs. In most cases this plea for accommodation is acknowledged to be a temporary one and accompanied by a pledge or plan to return to the conventional "rules of engagement" as soon as circumstances permit. This is the basic mindset of "IÇll quit tomorrow" and "If you had the problems I do youÇd drink and drug, too!"
The personal exceptionalism of the addict, along with his willingness to lie both by commission and omission in the protection and furtherance of his addiction, place a severe strain upon his relationships with others. It does not usually take those who are often around the addict long to conclude that he simply cannot be believed in matters pertaining to his addiction. He may swear that he is clean and sober and intends to stay that way when in fact he is under the influence or planning to become so at the first opportunity; he may minimize or conceal the amount of substance consumed; and he may make up all manner of excuses and alibis whose usually transparent purpose is to provide his addiction the room it requires to continue operating.
One of the most damaging interpersonal scenarios occurs when the addict, usually as the consequence of some unforeseen crisis directly stemming from his addiction, promises with all of the sincerity at his command to stop his addictive behavior and never under any circumstances to resume it again.
"I promise," the addict pleads, sometimes with tears in his eyes. "I know I have been wrong, and this time I have learned my lesson. YouÇll never have to worry about me again. It will never happen again!"
But it does happen again à and again, and again, and again. Each time the promises, each time their breaking. Those who first responded to his sincere sounding promises of reform with relief, hope and at times even joy soon become disillusioned and bitter.
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you know every male in my family was drunk. i could not stand seeing my dad drunk every other day to the point he was brought home by others.
i knew i was way stronger than him. he was smoking too and i thought smoking was bigger problem to wrestle with, never tried it other than pretending on social occasion.
my mistake, it turned out alcohol was addictive too. and since i was "better" than my dad i ended up drinking twice as much with twice less consequences or should i say my debt is still accumulating.
no kidding or denial here.
i knew i was way stronger than him. he was smoking too and i thought smoking was bigger problem to wrestle with, never tried it other than pretending on social occasion.
my mistake, it turned out alcohol was addictive too. and since i was "better" than my dad i ended up drinking twice as much with twice less consequences or should i say my debt is still accumulating.
no kidding or denial here.
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you know every male in my family was drunk. i could not stand seeing my dad drunk every other day to the point he was brought home by others.
i knew i was way stronger than him. he was smoking too and i thought smoking was bigger problem to wrestle with, never tried it other than pretending on social occasion.
my mistake, it turned out alcohol was addictive too. and since i was "better" than my dad i ended up drinking twice as much with twice less consequences or should i say my debt is still accumulating.
no kidding or denial here.
i knew i was way stronger than him. he was smoking too and i thought smoking was bigger problem to wrestle with, never tried it other than pretending on social occasion.
my mistake, it turned out alcohol was addictive too. and since i was "better" than my dad i ended up drinking twice as much with twice less consequences or should i say my debt is still accumulating.
no kidding or denial here.
So you have admitted you have a problem, and you want to stop, the details and stories are just that, details and stories, they are meaningless.
Stop drinking
Now
Tonight
Your sobriety date is 11-27-2009
Don't drink any more
If this proves troublesome, come to a meeting, we will help you
Seriously, you never have to drink again
If you would like to stop drinking, like REALLY want to stop, call AA right now, tonight, this very minute, ask for some alcoholics to come visit you and take you to a meeting, If however, you want to continue drinking and just whinge about it and tell us stories, and how you drink because it's a disease, or because your daddy drank, We can't help you.
Time to put your $$$ where your mouth is
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"When you are actually ready to quit drinking", I am tierd of reading that (to me its like leave until your ready, then come back), I have read the book too ("Under the Influence"), 2ndGen, I am a skiped gen with parents that are great but my grand pa and unkles are either dead or drinking every night. in fact only one of the drinkers are left from that generation but his lack of money from lack of job prob saved his life, sad crap...
Me I am stuck in the middle, I have a great job, can afford booze, still i know its killing me.
Please, Stop as soon as you can, the longer you wait (for me at least) the less health dangers scare us.
Me I am stuck in the middle, I have a great job, can afford booze, still i know its killing me.
Please, Stop as soon as you can, the longer you wait (for me at least) the less health dangers scare us.
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Good.....
In "under" check out the
Guide for a Hypoglycemic Diet
it is on page 220, Appendix C.
I consider that helped me get back in
balance...physically and mentally.
Hope you will find that true for you too.
In "under" check out the
Guide for a Hypoglycemic Diet
it is on page 220, Appendix C.
I consider that helped me get back in
balance...physically and mentally.
Hope you will find that true for you too.
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That's fantastic
If you would like to stop drinking, like REALLY want to stop, call AA right now, tonight, this very minute, ask for some alcoholics to come visit you and take you to a meeting, If however, you want to continue drinking and just whinge about it and tell us stories, and how you drink because it's a disease, or because your daddy drank, We can't help you.
Time to put your $$$ where your mouth is
If you would like to stop drinking, like REALLY want to stop, call AA right now, tonight, this very minute, ask for some alcoholics to come visit you and take you to a meeting, If however, you want to continue drinking and just whinge about it and tell us stories, and how you drink because it's a disease, or because your daddy drank, We can't help you.
Time to put your $$$ where your mouth is
- Time, I sm either at work or with my kid
- Personality, not into dogmas if I can say that
- Privacy, don't trust second "A"
I will get to AA as last resort. Numbers are compelling, referring to Beyond Influence.
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As for me, hell I am well insured and wonder whether it's worth it.
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we are different Carol. i've tackled nutritions before ramping up on intake, but appreciate the advice. it is 222 in my edition. couple spoons of honey usually enough for me to get on my feet in the morning.
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drinking and making excuses and telling stories about why you can't quit evidently is
right on
What was that bit you said about denial again?
Something about wrestling allegories on the banks of denial?
For some reason reading your posts about wanting to quit drinking then defending your position about drinking puts me to mind the old word Blivet
Look it up
Keep doing what you are doing, when you are done, give us a ring
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That's cool
drinking and making excuses and telling stories about why you can't quit evidently is right on
What was that bit you said about denial again?
Something about wrestling allegories on the banks of denial?
Keep doing what you are doing, when you are done, give us a ring
drinking and making excuses and telling stories about why you can't quit evidently is right on
What was that bit you said about denial again?
Something about wrestling allegories on the banks of denial?
Keep doing what you are doing, when you are done, give us a ring
will need to take off now to get some food maybe drink too as my work situation is clearing up.
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