Pinkcuda

He went on to have an awakening helping spread the message to countless others.

Iriss

Ok, thank you Pink... And this really isn't personal, but where did that awakening come from.... Was is it a rock bottom? Is that what it takes?

Iriss

Sorry for this, but would that love for "God" override all that is alive and visible?

Ago

for me it means the same thing

God is everything but the little voice in my head

Mark75

God, as I understand him, is not really something I can put into words. And if I could, those words may not have the same meaning for you.

Maybe I can say this.... Back to the science thing... You mentioned evolution...

I've studied evolution and biology. It is amazing and miraculous. Embryology and how it recapitulates phylogeny (evolution)... wow! I believe in the science. The more I know of the science, however, the more I believe in a higher power.

But, that's just me.

Good thread.

Mark

Iriss

Hey Mark, The science must have stopped you somewhere along the lines. Your really cannot do both, evolution & god... But hey, sincerely I mean this, I'm glad you have sobriety. no matter how you found it x

Lenina

Iriss,

Why not? I don't understand.

Love,

Lenina

Mark75

See what I mean... The more I know, about anything, the more I believe in a higher power.... So, for me, evolution and God are not mutually exclusive. Were it not for the fact that your OP was about science v spirituality, I probably wouldn't even share this, because we all have to find our own way...

Mark

Ago

actually you can.

Einstein and Darwin did.

they were kinda smart

You can't "do" fundamentalist Christianity and Evolution, My "God" doesn't in fact have a "willy", need money, or have those ten rules, my "God" actually doesn't have anything to do with Christianity, but once I let go of anyone else's conception of God, and even my own old perceptions, and chose to have a "God of my own understanding" even as an Atheist Agnostic ...it's hard to explain.

In AA we don't care what your conception is, as a matter of fact it's none of our business, and it's REALLY none of anyone's business to push their own concept, but once again. me, Cube, Robby, Pink, and whoever else posted in this thread could be an atheist, worship vishna, be a wiccan, or even a Catholic, and we all agree entirely on spiritual principals.

God=love=action

it's super simple

Iriss

Lenina, All I can say if you have found any solace and comfort in your beliefs, please do not let this thread question it x

Iriss x

Lenina

((((Iriss))))

My beliefs are my own. I am very open-minded and always enjoy hearing other people's points of view. My heart is more about love. Defining God is a very personal thing. I just don't see why "God" and evolution aren't compatible. I don't explain things well, I'm afraid.

I wish peace and serenity for your heart and mind.

Love,

Lenina

Iriss

AA was based and founded on " fundamentalist christianity"

Mark75

Where did you hear that?

Mark

Iriss

Have the steps not changed, from "God" to a "god, or higher power in which we believe" ?

Ago

fundamentalist christianity doesn't ask you to choose your own concept of God

McGowdog

A.A. was based and founded on one drunk talking to another drunk.

Fundamental Chistianity is the donkey some of those drunks rode to get there.

tyler

[QUOTE=Ago;2418024I thought it was against the TOS to bash someone else's recovery plan, but somehow Bugs manages to bash AA day after tedious day, week after tedious week
[/QUOTE]

I hate to see anyone "bashing" anyone's "program", but you are wearing AA blinders here!! There were several threads in this forum discussing the effectivness of Naltrexone that were shut down, with many of the same AA people who are chiming in here, bashing that form of "recovery". For me personally, it has been far more effective that AA ever was, though I may not qualify as a "real alcoholic"

IMHO anything that helps people with a addiction problem lessen that problem is a good thing that shouldn't be "bashed" by anyone. I don't "bash" AA, NA, SMART, Naltrexone, Suboxone, addiction therapy, having Jesus cure your addiction, or any other method that works for you. If everyone would just share what works for them instead of insisting that they have the "one and only solution" this would be a much better place. Remember, when you point a finger, there are three pointing back at you.

On a side note, I underestimated the lifespan of this thread. I gave it 24 hours, but it's made it 48...won't be long now!!!!

Iriss

Maybe I am wrong, but this is precisely my point. Was AA, at it's inception based on "God" (as the early christian's saw it/he/she), and has it not evolved over the years to be based on "God, however you perceive God to be"?

tyler

AA was, in fact, founded on the teachings of the Oxford Group. Here is an excellent history on this group.

http://silkworth.net/aahistory/what-...ford-group.pdf

If you would like to know more about the history of AA, this is an excellent website I have found. It is very unbiased. Enjoy.

The History of Alcoholics Anonymous

CarolD

Iris.....
Why not compare the 1st. Edition of the BB

Big Book

to the 4th ...the current one?

Big Book On Line

Read all about it....first hand

Have you ever attended an AA meeting?
If so...what did you think about it?