Alcohol amount ????
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Alcohol amount ????
Is it the amount that makes you a alcoholic or the lack of being able to do without it???????????? Some of the posts i read here are funny to me because of the small amount of alcohol they consume , but yet they can't seem to do without it , proggesion?? or are they parinoid ??????????????
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Alcoholism is caused by a chemical mlfunction of the liver
and brain enzymes.
Please read the top post here for info....
http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums/...influence.html
I think sometimes people lie and deny too!
and brain enzymes.
Please read the top post here for info....
http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums/...influence.html
I think sometimes people lie and deny too!
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we can only decide for ourselves if alcohol is a problem in our lives, but we cannot gain anyting by looking at how much or little the next person drinks. If you believe alcohol may be a problem in your life, there is a solution and recovery is possible.
Welcome to SR and please stick around. There is so much support and lots of good people willing to share experience with you.
Welcome to SR and please stick around. There is so much support and lots of good people willing to share experience with you.
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As was already was said, it is not how much or how often you drink, it is what happens to you when you drink!
When you do not know what the out come of having that first drink is going to be you have a problem.
When you do not know what the out come of having that first drink is going to be you have a problem.
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As others said, It's not how much you drink, or how often, but what the drink does to you.
I usually drank quietly, alone and withdrawn, but for some unknown reason, every once in a while I would decide that I needed to go and visit someone (read road trip) several hours away.Sometimes I made it, sometimes I didn't.
I would never have done that sober.
Social drinkers have one or two and maybe even three and then may not drink for a week or two or even three. The really big difference as I see it is that they are not thinking about booze all the time. I couldn't wait 'till Friday so I could tie one on.
Ted
I usually drank quietly, alone and withdrawn, but for some unknown reason, every once in a while I would decide that I needed to go and visit someone (read road trip) several hours away.Sometimes I made it, sometimes I didn't.
I would never have done that sober.
Social drinkers have one or two and maybe even three and then may not drink for a week or two or even three. The really big difference as I see it is that they are not thinking about booze all the time. I couldn't wait 'till Friday so I could tie one on.
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In Chapter two of the BB it describes the difference between normal drinkers, heavy drinkers and alcoholics.
I did not drink more than some heavy drinkers. I could have only one or two glasses one night and not be able to stop the next. Some days I could have none and sometimes I could make my drinks last a long time.
But I never knew. It was russian roulette.
When I had a glass, I might stop...... or I might end up having 26 glasses and walking around in a blackout - a sort of walking coma - and near poisoned. I could drink 20 glasses and still feel sober one day and the next a couple would make me feel tipsy. I could have one while making a meal and end up not being able to go to work the next day. A party would start. Sometimes it was a party all alone. I would get all miserable and ring people to join me.
Mostly I knew in advance when I was going to go out and get tanked. I would arrange my life so no one was depending on me. It usually ended with humiliation and danger. The mental anguish of being out knowing I couldn't stop and the feeling the next morning of mental pain was intense and insufferable. I wanted to die but I couldn't. I was stuck completely. If I got out of bed I would end up living the same life but I couldn't end my life even if I wanted to. It felt like there was no good solution. All solutions ended in hell or death. So I didn't get out of bed one day. It was the day I surrendered.
I have slipped since then and done some more "research" as requested by King Alcohol because I did not have a good spiritual programme in place. That is now my number one priority.
Consequences went out the window. I mean I had no concept while I was in a binge about how I was going to feel the next day or the fact that I needed to be able to go to work and look after my children. I could sometimes use self will to make sure I was able to catch a plane if there was a really big meeting or something but it would take a lot of effort, A LOT of effort. For other people, even heavy drinkers, consequences remain valid and stopping and going home does not take superhuman strength. A heavy drinker might need medical help to stop but they will do so without the need of spiritual help if the consequences demand e.g. new love, new job, health issues. An alcoholic needs spiritual help because no human intervention (including our own) will be enough to keep us from drinking - no matter what.
Someone said I should use the excuse of antibiotics when I am out not drinking in a drinking work group. I used to drink on antibiotics without a second thought so...
So yea. If someone could now please tell me I am not an alcoholic and that I can go out and happily celebrate life by drinking again, I would love to hear from you. I still want to be able to do that some times you see.
Thank you for this thread. I needed reminding tonight.
I did not drink more than some heavy drinkers. I could have only one or two glasses one night and not be able to stop the next. Some days I could have none and sometimes I could make my drinks last a long time.
But I never knew. It was russian roulette.
When I had a glass, I might stop...... or I might end up having 26 glasses and walking around in a blackout - a sort of walking coma - and near poisoned. I could drink 20 glasses and still feel sober one day and the next a couple would make me feel tipsy. I could have one while making a meal and end up not being able to go to work the next day. A party would start. Sometimes it was a party all alone. I would get all miserable and ring people to join me.
Mostly I knew in advance when I was going to go out and get tanked. I would arrange my life so no one was depending on me. It usually ended with humiliation and danger. The mental anguish of being out knowing I couldn't stop and the feeling the next morning of mental pain was intense and insufferable. I wanted to die but I couldn't. I was stuck completely. If I got out of bed I would end up living the same life but I couldn't end my life even if I wanted to. It felt like there was no good solution. All solutions ended in hell or death. So I didn't get out of bed one day. It was the day I surrendered.
I have slipped since then and done some more "research" as requested by King Alcohol because I did not have a good spiritual programme in place. That is now my number one priority.
Consequences went out the window. I mean I had no concept while I was in a binge about how I was going to feel the next day or the fact that I needed to be able to go to work and look after my children. I could sometimes use self will to make sure I was able to catch a plane if there was a really big meeting or something but it would take a lot of effort, A LOT of effort. For other people, even heavy drinkers, consequences remain valid and stopping and going home does not take superhuman strength. A heavy drinker might need medical help to stop but they will do so without the need of spiritual help if the consequences demand e.g. new love, new job, health issues. An alcoholic needs spiritual help because no human intervention (including our own) will be enough to keep us from drinking - no matter what.
Someone said I should use the excuse of antibiotics when I am out not drinking in a drinking work group. I used to drink on antibiotics without a second thought so...
So yea. If someone could now please tell me I am not an alcoholic and that I can go out and happily celebrate life by drinking again, I would love to hear from you. I still want to be able to do that some times you see.
Thank you for this thread. I needed reminding tonight.
Last edited by Pilgrim; 06-12-2007 at 05:12 AM.
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I just think it as an alergy..if i was allergic to a bee ..A single bee sting
can do me in..
on the lighter side..or the actual truth...I bascially break out in
a rash of insanity.
Even night quil messes me up for a weeks or so, while the cold
medication might help me with my lungs not burning when I have
a cold...it bascailly knocks my ass out for days. i notice
my body become sick after taking to cold medication.
i bascially go through a withdraw or like i'm detoxing, after.
I aviod any medications with alcohol in them ,now..
not becuase i'm a goodie too shoes...
alcohol just messes me up bad..that's how it affects my body.
Over the years. i've gotten over the stima of whatever body's view
of how alcohol affects me...i live with myself 24/7s..i know how
my body re-acts to alcohol..Beats me how alcohol affects your body ?
There's millions of people the suffers from all kinds of disease or allergies.
They don't have a problem with avioding thier allergies.
I'm also allergic to corn..i get hives if i eat anything that has corn in it.
i don't go into a great debate when I see hives and welts all over my body
after eating a little bit of corn..
can do me in..
on the lighter side..or the actual truth...I bascially break out in
a rash of insanity.
Even night quil messes me up for a weeks or so, while the cold
medication might help me with my lungs not burning when I have
a cold...it bascailly knocks my ass out for days. i notice
my body become sick after taking to cold medication.
i bascially go through a withdraw or like i'm detoxing, after.
I aviod any medications with alcohol in them ,now..
not becuase i'm a goodie too shoes...
alcohol just messes me up bad..that's how it affects my body.
Over the years. i've gotten over the stima of whatever body's view
of how alcohol affects me...i live with myself 24/7s..i know how
my body re-acts to alcohol..Beats me how alcohol affects your body ?
There's millions of people the suffers from all kinds of disease or allergies.
They don't have a problem with avioding thier allergies.
I'm also allergic to corn..i get hives if i eat anything that has corn in it.
i don't go into a great debate when I see hives and welts all over my body
after eating a little bit of corn..
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Like the t-shirt says, "Instant @sshole -- Just Add Alcohol" ... Certainly describes me.
And yeah, the last two times I drank, (going on nearly a year ago now!), both times I broke out in handcuffs and had to be rushed to the local "treatment" center (jail). They won't let you out until you pay your bill, (at least the monetary portion of it anyway), and let me tell you, they are pricey! Anywhere from $400 to $3000 a night for each visit, cash on the barrel. That's not including other fees -- that's only their "overnight rate".
Both times it took probably about a twelve pack and a couple of shots...
Both times it took only one drink... Just one single solitary drink...
...
And yeah, the last two times I drank, (going on nearly a year ago now!), both times I broke out in handcuffs and had to be rushed to the local "treatment" center (jail). They won't let you out until you pay your bill, (at least the monetary portion of it anyway), and let me tell you, they are pricey! Anywhere from $400 to $3000 a night for each visit, cash on the barrel. That's not including other fees -- that's only their "overnight rate".
Both times it took probably about a twelve pack and a couple of shots...
Both times it took only one drink... Just one single solitary drink...
...
Last edited by GreenTea; 06-12-2007 at 06:05 AM.
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lol...it's like an extreme example of one foot in tommorow and
one foot in yesterday and pissing all over today.
Or you get to a piont...when you drink just to feel normal
so you can function...but you actaully don't remember or know
what normal is like so you just gotta have that extra stash..
but you spend you time looking or finding ways to get the next
stash..Wheather it's just going to work so you can have drinking
money. Live to use, use to live..but you're just a puppet after
while and alcohol had taken over your life...You actaully don't
even enjoy the buzz anymore ,becuase life has became so f-up
you just gotta stay in the crazy zone or numb 24/7.
reality ???...heck no !!!
from a song...
i use to a little, but a little didn't do it
so little bit got more and more.
i just keep trying to get a little bit better,
a little bit better than before..
one foot in yesterday and pissing all over today.
Or you get to a piont...when you drink just to feel normal
so you can function...but you actaully don't remember or know
what normal is like so you just gotta have that extra stash..
but you spend you time looking or finding ways to get the next
stash..Wheather it's just going to work so you can have drinking
money. Live to use, use to live..but you're just a puppet after
while and alcohol had taken over your life...You actaully don't
even enjoy the buzz anymore ,becuase life has became so f-up
you just gotta stay in the crazy zone or numb 24/7.
reality ???...heck no !!!
from a song...
i use to a little, but a little didn't do it
so little bit got more and more.
i just keep trying to get a little bit better,
a little bit better than before..
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i believe my daughter was in full blown relapse the minute she decided to walk to that liquor store last week. i don't think it even took a sip..
An alcoholic that decides to hang out at a bar with old drinking buddies in the back of their heads unless they are really solid in thier sobriety are hoping for some reson to have "Just One"!!!
Relapses are not accidents, we do not fall and the ground and have a drink poured down our throats!!!
We make a decision to buy a drink or accept a drink before we drink it, if we check our real motives for doing some thing that led to us drinking, we will see we had relapsed before we ever drank a drop!
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What was also a defining moment for me was when I heard someone say in a meeting one night: .......
"It Is not the third or fourth drink, or even the seventy - third that got me drunk......IT WAS THE FIRST....."
"It Is not the third or fourth drink, or even the seventy - third that got me drunk......IT WAS THE FIRST....."
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The insanity of it all was when I relapsed...i actaully thought i wasn't
an alki anymore after the first drink...and this is after 11 years of being
clean and sober..
i had problems and life was a bit rough..but after that first beer i was
a gonner..My entire mindset changed even when i wasn't drunk.
Seriousely..i thought the entire recovery thing was a bunch of bull.
The only problem was..i got physically sicker than I ever had.
i went from whine coolers to taking straight hard liquar within a week..
i skip the the entire beer and mix drinks thing.
The next think i know, i was asking co-workers where i can score weed.
it's if as if , I nevered stopped or it actaully got worst.
While my living problems was bad...not life threaten or nothing.
A relationship problem.. i wasn't depressed..i was upset or hurted.
But man O man...i got stupid depressed and started having anxitey
attacks again after i got drunk.. Even at that piont..i still didn't think
i had a drinking problem or was an alki...
And honestly..it ran across my mind for a week before i pick up the first drink.
an alki anymore after the first drink...and this is after 11 years of being
clean and sober..
i had problems and life was a bit rough..but after that first beer i was
a gonner..My entire mindset changed even when i wasn't drunk.
Seriousely..i thought the entire recovery thing was a bunch of bull.
The only problem was..i got physically sicker than I ever had.
i went from whine coolers to taking straight hard liquar within a week..
i skip the the entire beer and mix drinks thing.
The next think i know, i was asking co-workers where i can score weed.
it's if as if , I nevered stopped or it actaully got worst.
While my living problems was bad...not life threaten or nothing.
A relationship problem.. i wasn't depressed..i was upset or hurted.
But man O man...i got stupid depressed and started having anxitey
attacks again after i got drunk.. Even at that piont..i still didn't think
i had a drinking problem or was an alki...
And honestly..it ran across my mind for a week before i pick up the first drink.
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