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The main thing an alcoholic like me needs to remember is that one single drink taken on purpose is when I lose my sobriety because for me to have even one drink on purpose I am already drunk before I take it no matter how long I have been sober.
For this alcoholic when I start lying about anything to anyone I am drunk already without taking a drink!
Honesty got me sober, lying gets me drunk with or without a drink.
For this alcoholic when I start lying about anything to anyone I am drunk already without taking a drink!
Honesty got me sober, lying gets me drunk with or without a drink.
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----Before getting into my 'diatribe' I just thought I'd mention here that since I got 'sober' I also got 'clean' ----- no alcohol/no drugs ..... however-----
That being said, I care not what people's opinions are, only what the program of Alcoholics Anonymous says, and for me the program is the steps (and for groups, the traditions), and nothing else.....therefore, in the BB it would only be the first 164 pgs.....technically only pgs 59+60 (all the rest is opinios, the founders experiences, strengths, etc.)....and the only thing mentioned there is alcohol, and that only mentioned in the first step.....and remember: tradition three says that the only requirement for AA membership is a desire to stop drinking......doesn't say anything about solids, as many members like to think.
For me, as the BB says, I'm sober if I don't put alcohol in my body.....per AA, and I'm clean because I don't put any mind-altering chemicals in my body, per NA.....
Also remember AA's big caveat: As an orgganization, AA takes no positions on outside issues.....(and ps, weed, lsd, etc. would all be considered 'oustide issues.')
For me that means.....AA is alcohol, and alcohol only, regardless of peoples' 'opinions.' And as others have stated below, I don't get to define 'sober/sobriety' for anybody else but me, and that goes for others: they don't get to define 'sober/sobriety' for anybody else but themselves.....I just checked and even Merriam Webster only limits 'sober/sobriety' to alcohol.
Soooooooo.....to mike mass, and anyone else who feels the same----" I don't know anyone in AA who would consider someone sober who is smoking marijuana." Hi there, my name is Noelle, and I'm a recovered alcoholic/addict. Now you have met someone....if someone I know smokes weed, and considers themself sober, then that's what they are..... (o:
NoelleR
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That being said, I care not what people's opinions are, only what the program of Alcoholics Anonymous says, and for me the program is the steps (and for groups, the traditions), and nothing else.....therefore, in the BB it would only be the first 164 pgs.....technically only pgs 59+60 (all the rest is opinios, the founders experiences, strengths, etc.)....and the only thing mentioned there is alcohol, and that only mentioned in the first step.....and remember: tradition three says that the only requirement for AA membership is a desire to stop drinking......doesn't say anything about solids, as many members like to think.
For me, as the BB says, I'm sober if I don't put alcohol in my body.....per AA, and I'm clean because I don't put any mind-altering chemicals in my body, per NA.....
Also remember AA's big caveat: As an orgganization, AA takes no positions on outside issues.....(and ps, weed, lsd, etc. would all be considered 'oustide issues.')
For me that means.....AA is alcohol, and alcohol only, regardless of peoples' 'opinions.' And as others have stated below, I don't get to define 'sober/sobriety' for anybody else but me, and that goes for others: they don't get to define 'sober/sobriety' for anybody else but themselves.....I just checked and even Merriam Webster only limits 'sober/sobriety' to alcohol.
Soooooooo.....to mike mass, and anyone else who feels the same----" I don't know anyone in AA who would consider someone sober who is smoking marijuana." Hi there, my name is Noelle, and I'm a recovered alcoholic/addict. Now you have met someone....if someone I know smokes weed, and considers themself sober, then that's what they are..... (o:
NoelleR
DOS: 6/23/86
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The first 164 pages.... in what edition BB ?.lol
Seems to me AA been wasting a lot of ink and papers printing those
extra opinions. That's over 400 pages of extra BS...I suppose.
Anyway, the first hand of AA that reached out to me was an MJ
user. The man basically saved my life. He spent over a month
with me, almost night and day to get me though.
There's serveral charecters in AA in my area that's blunt about
such matters. These dudes act as if none of us had ever gotten
so damn sheit faces from everything before. I just don't like
it, when they reject new comers seeking help..that's all.
Whatever happened to goodwill ???...at the very least.
The funny thing is these dudes can't look at me in the eyes
and don't try to run me out of a meeting, cuz i'll throw the
damn book at them.
With that being say...i look at anyone of my coins from time to time.
"TO THY OWNSELF BE TRUE"
I don't go to aa or na to get everybody clean and sober.
I go to aa or na to get me clean and sober.
Obviusely those dudes and i arn't best of freinds.
There's plenty of other of BW's freinds that i see in casino.lmao
And the other half I catch up with in al-anon.lol
Seems to me AA been wasting a lot of ink and papers printing those
extra opinions. That's over 400 pages of extra BS...I suppose.
Anyway, the first hand of AA that reached out to me was an MJ
user. The man basically saved my life. He spent over a month
with me, almost night and day to get me though.
There's serveral charecters in AA in my area that's blunt about
such matters. These dudes act as if none of us had ever gotten
so damn sheit faces from everything before. I just don't like
it, when they reject new comers seeking help..that's all.
Whatever happened to goodwill ???...at the very least.
The funny thing is these dudes can't look at me in the eyes
and don't try to run me out of a meeting, cuz i'll throw the
damn book at them.
With that being say...i look at anyone of my coins from time to time.
"TO THY OWNSELF BE TRUE"
I don't go to aa or na to get everybody clean and sober.
I go to aa or na to get me clean and sober.
Obviusely those dudes and i arn't best of freinds.
There's plenty of other of BW's freinds that i see in casino.lmao
And the other half I catch up with in al-anon.lol
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PG. 7 sent. 1 thru 5:
The above is from Bill W's story, some how he felt that drugs and alcohol were not a good thing.
In Doctor Bobs story he says:
I gather from Doctor Bob's story above that "large doses of sedatives" distressed me terribly.
You are right that it is not spelled out in the big book that drugs are a disqualifier of true sobriety, but the way this alcoholic reads both Bill W's and Dr. Bob's stories they sure did not view them as part of their sobriety!
This alkie will use the same definition of sobreity as they insinuated in the above.
Pg. 19 Sent. 3
Pg. 82 Sent. 19
Pg. 103 Sent. 9-10
Now this drunk in reading the above is led to believe that getting high on other things then alcohol is not being sober in my opinion, but if one reads all of the above and can honestly say that staying clean of drugs is not part of sobriety to them selfs then that is thier right and their opinion to which they are entitled.
I only have to live with my own conscience, I can not judge others or try and be their conscience.
Next day found me drinkinng both Gin and sedative. This combination soon landed me on the rocks. People feared for my sanity. So did I.
In Doctor Bobs story he says:
I did not take the morning drink which I craved so badly, but instead would fill up on large doses of sedatives to quiet the jitters, which distressed me terribly.
You are right that it is not spelled out in the big book that drugs are a disqualifier of true sobriety, but the way this alcoholic reads both Bill W's and Dr. Bob's stories they sure did not view them as part of their sobriety!
This alkie will use the same definition of sobreity as they insinuated in the above.
Pg. 19 Sent. 3
We feel that elimination of our drinking is but a beginning.
We feel a man is unthinking when he says that sobriety is enough.
After all, our problems were of our own making. Bottles were only a symbol.
I only have to live with my own conscience, I can not judge others or try and be their conscience.
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I'm not counting the dayz of being clean and sober.
Somewhere around 30 months now. i relapse only on alcohol,
but i'm keep it real simple.
Being clean and sober is very important to me..don't me wrong.
But i am hanging on to my arss and counting the damn days that
I havn't gone gambling. lmaf.. it's been 60 days.
Basicilly my gambling addiction lead me to drinking again.
One of these days I'm going to melt all off my coins from verious
entity and make one necklace...if i ever gradutate.lol
Somewhere around 30 months now. i relapse only on alcohol,
but i'm keep it real simple.
Being clean and sober is very important to me..don't me wrong.
But i am hanging on to my arss and counting the damn days that
I havn't gone gambling. lmaf.. it's been 60 days.
Basicilly my gambling addiction lead me to drinking again.
One of these days I'm going to melt all off my coins from verious
entity and make one necklace...if i ever gradutate.lol
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Opinionated people are why I don't attend any more AA meetings. From some of the responses to this post one could gather that the occasional Marijuana smoker would be looked down on. I don't condone the use of marijuana, but I enjoy an occasional smoke now and then. It has absolutely nothing to do with my sobriety. I'm as sober as anyone on this post. That being said, I also realize that AA has saved countless lives. Do what works...For me, not drinking works. 4 years sober and a life time to go. Walker
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Right now, I've been alcohol-free for almost 2 weeks. I haven't given up using THC yet because at this point I feel that it is helping me to not drink. I've been a regular user of both for many years, and since alcohol has caused me far more problems, it goes first. And though I don't consider myself completely sober, I am keeping track of my time away from alcohol, and observing the difference not drinking makes in my daily life.
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Supposedly in my town there's now an AA meeting specifically for those who are users of "medical marijuana" or who do not consider this a problem for defining sobriety. Of course, that opens up the possibility of endless debates (about medicine, medical marijuana, etc etc etc)...debates that don't usually go anywhere and get kinda boring. So I think I'll just go back to focusing on what works for me.
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Originally Posted by Paul L 
Well why dont these people smoke pot openly in meetings, and tell us all were we might be going wrong.
Now that would be a neck of a meeting and we would all
have a buring desire.
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Originally Posted by tiburon88
I would consider someone still sober as long as they didn't get drunk.
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For me I guess MY sobriety is more of a state of mind, and that is a clear mind. I used to use pot as much if not more then alcohole back in my heavet using days. I never got up and drank before work, but getting stoned was a must just to cope. I spent years and years stoned continuously. So for me it is a very dangerous drug. So I feel that I need to keep all mind altering substances out of my body in order to maintain my sobriety.
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Originally Posted by caladan
Not sober in my book.
Pot would often make me anxious and paranoid when I smoked it.
So I drank........
That eventually made me anxious and paranoid......the morning after I drank.
So I drank some more..........
I became anxious and paranoid whenever I wasn't drinking.
See where this is going......
Today I'm grateful that any emotions I may experience aren't chemically induced.
Pot would often make me anxious and paranoid when I smoked it.
So I drank........
That eventually made me anxious and paranoid......the morning after I drank.
So I drank some more..........
I became anxious and paranoid whenever I wasn't drinking.
See where this is going......
Today I'm grateful that any emotions I may experience aren't chemically induced.
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Yardbird makes a good point, though -
were I on chemo ... and it the only thing that kept my 'insides' in order - and i had a specific amends or something I needed or felt i needed to complete before checking out ... I dunno... a man just passed in our group last winter, who did all the stages of cancer sober with no mind altering chems for pain.
(notice I said 'mind altering') it was awe inspiring to observe. And to learn from.
So, this is a topic I have thought about. It was right in front of me last winter, while I was trying to sober up.
but that's not really the deal in this thread is it?
I think it's more along the 'define the word NEED' train of thought.
For me - no.
MJ is not included in 'sobriety' for me.
My truth is technically the only one I have to live with. HP lets me know pretty clearly what feels like a 'truth' and what doesn't. For me.
And yeah, Carol -
it actually is - extremely regulated, but medicinally excuseable, and is being decriminalized in more and more cities and states. Comes up every election year, in fact. People getting licenced to grow it, cultivate, genetically experiment with it... so yeah, I guess it is.
were I on chemo ... and it the only thing that kept my 'insides' in order - and i had a specific amends or something I needed or felt i needed to complete before checking out ... I dunno... a man just passed in our group last winter, who did all the stages of cancer sober with no mind altering chems for pain.
(notice I said 'mind altering') it was awe inspiring to observe. And to learn from.
So, this is a topic I have thought about. It was right in front of me last winter, while I was trying to sober up.
but that's not really the deal in this thread is it?
I think it's more along the 'define the word NEED' train of thought.
For me - no.
MJ is not included in 'sobriety' for me.
My truth is technically the only one I have to live with. HP lets me know pretty clearly what feels like a 'truth' and what doesn't. For me.
And yeah, Carol -
it actually is - extremely regulated, but medicinally excuseable, and is being decriminalized in more and more cities and states. Comes up every election year, in fact. People getting licenced to grow it, cultivate, genetically experiment with it... so yeah, I guess it is.
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I am not going to judge any ones sobriety or thier definition of it, as my sobriety is between me and my HP, so is thiers.
If I had glacoma (SP) and a doctor prescribed MJ to releive the pressure then as long as I was using it as directed by a doctor I would still keep my sobriety date. If I was in extreme pain due to what ever and I was prescribed demerol or what ever and took it as prescribed I would still keep it, but being honest with myself and my HP and the way I view sobriety I cross the line when I use any thing for the very same reason I drank.
That is strictly how I judge my own sobriety.
If I had glacoma (SP) and a doctor prescribed MJ to releive the pressure then as long as I was using it as directed by a doctor I would still keep my sobriety date. If I was in extreme pain due to what ever and I was prescribed demerol or what ever and took it as prescribed I would still keep it, but being honest with myself and my HP and the way I view sobriety I cross the line when I use any thing for the very same reason I drank.
That is strictly how I judge my own sobriety.
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So the great debate continues, but hey hang on, in step 12 it says having had a spiritual awakeing as the results of these steps, we tried to carry this messege to other alcholics stoned out our minds and pratice these steps in all our affairs.
What would you have thought being twelved steped with someone stoned, it just does not hold any weight does it.
What would you have thought being twelved steped with someone stoned, it just does not hold any weight does it.
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Probaly becuase the guy had nevered worked the steps.
The man that helped me, never worked the twevle steps.
I was phasing in and out of consiouness myself at that time,
so it did made since in a wierd way.
It's not as if I never had drinking and getting high buddies before.
I don't belive he's a bad person by nature, Just sick and
trying to do his best at the time. He pulled me to safe habor.
And the rest was up to me.
Reminds me of my Ex-wife. She's always bitch and moan
about my drinking and getting high. And I had a problem,
but there she was sitting next to me, snorting, puffing,
and beer bonging every damn time.lol
The man that helped me, never worked the twevle steps.
I was phasing in and out of consiouness myself at that time,
so it did made since in a wierd way.
It's not as if I never had drinking and getting high buddies before.
I don't belive he's a bad person by nature, Just sick and
trying to do his best at the time. He pulled me to safe habor.
And the rest was up to me.
Reminds me of my Ex-wife. She's always bitch and moan
about my drinking and getting high. And I had a problem,
but there she was sitting next to me, snorting, puffing,
and beer bonging every damn time.lol
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Well whatever floats your boat and keeps you out of trouble.
I have the damnest time trying to consider Spicolli from Fast Times as a sober individual though, he was funny though "I've been thinking about this Mr. Hand, if you're here and I'm here, doesn't that make it OUR time?"
Blessings,
PR
I have the damnest time trying to consider Spicolli from Fast Times as a sober individual though, he was funny though "I've been thinking about this Mr. Hand, if you're here and I'm here, doesn't that make it OUR time?"
Blessings,
PR
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