Can the "secularists" (how ever it's defined here - sounds like everyone is; after all, everyone worked their 12-step programs differently) go into the AA forum unabashed and speak freely about how their program isn't based on a higher power? How would that be welcomed? Or if people went in there and told AAers that they're arrogant and prideful for believing how a possible figment of one's imagination runs the show? How about in the "Christians in Recovery" forum? Why not just make this a family, narcotics and alcohol abuse forum and be done with it?
Was/is it too much to ask to be free of AA/NA rhetoric, EVER??
Never did the phrase ring truer than it does now: "You can run, but you can't hide."