We shouldn't even have to debate the validity of 'spiritual' or faith based programs here.
There are some secular members who use those programs and don't see them as faith based.
Here is the original message when opening this forum.
This forum is not an alternative 12-step forum. It is open to all our members who approach their life with secular viewpoints.
The best way to avoid a debate is to avoid negative remarks about people or programs that draw others in to defend themselves.
If I say I don't like going to church because I don't share the same beliefs that is less likely to start a debate than saying I don't like church because they are all a bunch of hypocrites.