Sorry, I'm not trying to crash the secular party. It's just that the vocabulary that AA uses is an impediment to the practises for a lot of people. The practises are wonderful, therapeutic and they work, and they don't require a God. But they do require, first and foremost, an acknowledgment from the alcoholic that we wouldn't have got into this fix if there weren't something wrong with us. And by extension, they require that we understand that if "we" are the problem, then the solution lies "elsewhere". It's not complicated. And it's entirely practical in its therapeutic value, and doesn't require conversion.