My advice is to change the title of the Alcoholism forums to

Alcohol Use Disorder Recovery.

within that section, there can be Alcoholism, the 12step forums, and the secular stuff (renamed something not wordy like permanent abstinence based recovery, more like Independent Recovery).

The medical diagnosis for addiction to alcohol is Alcohol Use Disorder. Not alcoholism. So that should be the category under which all solutions/recovery options (secular and not) are listed. Secular shouldn’t be off by itself. It’s strange. Secular and non-secular don’t need to be segregated. Both options should be under Alcohol Use Disorder Recovery (or whatever).

Right now this forum is in no-man’s land and the medical diagnosis language is unused. Both should be fixed.

(Sorry to sound bizarrely feisty about this. I just feel strongly about it but also feel like I’m starting/fighting a losing battle).