Originally Posted by
nez 
Nobody could help me until I became willing to be helped. In order to become willing I had to stop looking at how wrong everybody else was and instead look at how I was wrong.
I am not wrong I am simply pointing out that people in recovery stress the spiritual angle too freely and lose focus on not drinking a day at a time.
Originally Posted by
PippoRossi I'm not big into the whole spirituality / God thing myself. I rely on these forums, which suits me just fine, but I understand there are other secular groups out there. Have you tried any of those? SMART Recovery is one that I've heard of, but have no experience with (
https://www.smartrecovery.org/get-started/).
No I don’t wanna leave AA it’s fine I just think they become overly spiritual