Old 06-02-2018, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by daredevil View Post
My desire to stay sober doesn’t parallel my deep desire for sporadic intoxication.
I desire permanent abstinence, but I can’t seem to get there.
Difficult to 'get there' if abstinence is contingent on the relative level of the desire to drink, wouldn't you say?

Originally Posted by daredevil View Post
i would encourage anyone with thoughts to speak, as bluntly as possible.
"You have to want to be sober more than you want to drink" is an ostensibly wise saying, often touted as truth, but it really isn't true. In fact, it is Addictive Voice, since it both supports and suggests the possibility of drinking some more alcohol should that condition not exist at any given time.

Consider abstaining from the benefits of drinking, and not from the downsides. Part of the art of AVRT is to always play the Beast's trump card when in doubt. Its main trump card is usually the perceived benefits of intoxication. The Beast is a revisionist, however, and it will change the motivation for indulging as many times as needed.

Originally Posted by daredevil View Post
yes, I wanted to get drunk more than I wanted to stay sober.

Definition of an alcoholic.
Not so. See above.

The desire for the absence of the desire to drink in order to abstain, is simply a plan to drink in the presence of that desire.
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