Originally Posted by langkah

FT, I've learned to stay out of discussions about how much sober alcoholics can drink and still kid themselves that they're sober, it only stesses people out, hurts tender feelings and eventually results in threats to run off and get drunk because someone slandered their semi-abstinence.

The extreme examples I used are real people who are kidding themselves and you're right, it's both sad and funny. The way those discussions predictibly end is that the alcoholics insist they are the ones to determine if they are sober or not and for how long and a few sipsies are not going to change that and no one is going to tell them differently, and who made up all these silly rules anyway?

Not worth getting into it with them, ever. Nature takes it's course sooner or later.

Sorry to distract the thread with my question, will butt out now.