Old 01-11-2012, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by langkah View Post
Would the effectiveness of RR become degraded if someone who joins in a wedding toast to the bride and groom or if a guest were to complain about the wine one was serving with their meal, to take a small sip to evaluate the taste?
I don't see why someone who has decided never to drink would even do that in the first place. If you don't drink alcohol, you don't join in wedding toasts with alcohol.

Originally Posted by langkah View Post
In other words, how rigid in application must RR be? There are no sobriety dates, so there's nothing to even consider adjusting after a tiny sipsie, but would that happening at all indicate anything is amiss? Should it be ignored as unimportant to the individual?
The Big Plan of AVRT is kind of like the Kashrut laws in Judaism, in that it places alcohol and other drugs off limits, forbidden. An observant Jew who keeps Kosher might accidentally eat something that isn't Kosher if they didn't know it was Treif (non-Kosher), but it should not be a normal occurrence, nor would it be causally dismissed. Neither would it be interpreted as "now I've done it, time to start eating shrimp."

If someone were to accidentally ingest an alcoholic beverage, in violation of their Big Plan, which is essentially a sacred covenant, they should not casually dismiss it, or use it as an excuse to go back to drinking. Ideally, they would reflect on what led to that sort of oversight, and figure out how to prevent it from ever happening again.

Originally Posted by langkah View Post
Should they not tell their RR mates about it and keep it a secret to themselves or is it thought best to be forthright with others?
Whether they disclose it to others or not is up to them. Since the Big Plan is a self-imposed covenant with oneself, or possibly with one's G-d, there is no requirement in AVRT for self-disclosure to others per se. If confessing to others is done in order to be "held accountable," as an external deterrent, it would actually be Addictive Voice, predicting future "slips" if one does not confess. This, of course, necessarily implies that the Big Plan is meaningless, a farce, not really a true covenant, dependent instead on whether one's drinking is known to others.

Originally Posted by langkah View Post
If that should happen, does it have any meaning at all, and if so ideally what are the best lessons that could be learned from it happening occasionally?
It should not happen occasionally.
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