Originally Posted by
fini 
you can and might now argue or suggest or ask why i would want to be sober if i didn't ultimately expect it to make me happier than i was....but really, that is a circular argument going nowhere.
Actually I would go on to ask that question. I don't buy into the idea that anyone just wants to get sober for the sake of it. I think the underlying reason is always wanting to be happier, which means a lot of things of course including feeling less sick and in less pain, and it is for the sake of this they we want to get sober.
So I don't think it's a circular argument at all, but an explanatory one. IMO of course.