Originally Posted by AlericB

Being recovered, to me, means that I will never follow my AV and so drink again.

Can I guarantee now that I won't be drinking next Friday at quarter past 8? No. Others may be able to make that guarantee for themselves but I can't for myself.

Can I guarantee now that I won't be drinking next Friday at quarter past 8 if, then , I have separated from any AV I may be having? Obviously yes.

Where we differ is that I see being recovered as a process and you don't. But I see it as a process not as one of recovering but of staying recovered. Where we agree is that, at every point in that process, I am recovered, not recovering.

Again, I am worried that we are making AVRT sound too obtuse for newcomers and it would be better not to start going round in circles.