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Old 06-07-2017, 09:05 AM
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Fusion
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This is a post from Terminally Unique. It seems AVRT is not CBT/REBT. For REBT in the post, also read CBT; because after this post he went on to say that it also applied to CBT, in addition to REBT.

"There is a reason that the REBT folks split off from Rational Recovery and started SMART recovery when AVRT finally matured.

AVRT violates practically all of the REBT axioms. There is the absolutist perfectionism (ie, the Big Plan), recognizing the Beast as a rational entity, as opposed to an irrational belief, the (I/It) split, and finally, the concept of moral judgment.

In REBT, nothing is ever just plain wrong, in the moral sense, whereas in AVRT, the addictive voice is an immoral proposition. Also, with AVRT, you don't change your thinking or dispute it, as with REBT. Instead, you recognize the addictive voice, and then you objectify it as ego-alien (not you).

I have watched taped REBT sessions with addicted people conducted by Albert Ellis, as well as taped AVRT sessions, and read books on the subject, and they are worlds apart. There was a debate between Albert Ellis and Jack Trimpey in 1994, and Ellis acknowledged that AVRT is indeed a separate discipline. Since he invented REBT, he should know."
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